Palmitoylation of STREX domain confers cerebroside sensitivity to the BKCa channel

Our previous study reported that cerebrosides from traditional Chinese medicine Baifuzi directly interact with the STREX domain of BK_Ca channels, which in turn results in the therapeutic effect of Baifuzi on ischemic stroke. However, it is not known how cerebrosides in the plasma membrane could interact with the STREX domain that is in the cytoplasmic side. Using patch-clamp technique, effects of different cerebrosides on the BK_Ca channel were studied by measuring single channel currents in CHO cells expressing wild type or mutated BK_Ca channels. Palmitoylation of the STREX domain was removed either by site-directed mutagenesis or pharmacological inhibition. Removal of palmitoylation sites at C646 and C647 by mutating the residues to Ala abolished the ability of cerebrosides to activate the BK_Ca channel. In contrast, the mutation neither changed the single channel conductance nor voltage sensitivity of the channel. Both palmitoylation inhibitors tunicamycin and palmitic acid analog 2-bromopalmitate attenuated the activation of the BK_Ca channel by cerebrosides. Furthermore, confocal images on STREX-EGFP fragments demonstrated that STREX fragments no longer associated with the plasma membrane when the palmitoylation was removed or blocked. These findings suggest that palmitoylation of the STREX domain is necessary for cerebrosides to activate the BK_Ca channel and provide insight into the mechanism of how Baifuzi could exert therapeutic effect on ischemic stroke.     

Activation of a mechanosensitive BK channel by membrane stress created with amphipaths

Some BK channels are activated in response to membrane stretch. However, it remains largely unknown which membrane component transmits forces to the channel and which part of the channel senses the force. Recently, we have shown that a BK channel cloned from chick heart (named SAKCa channel) is a stretch activated channel, while deletion of a 59 amino acids splice insert (STREX) located in the cytoplasmic side, abolishes its stretch-sensitivity. This finding raised a question whether stress in the bilayer is crucial for the mechanical activation of the channel. To address this question we examined the effects of membrane perturbing amphipaths on the stretch activation of the SAKCa channel and its STREX-deletion mutant. We found that both anionic amphipath trinitrophenol (TNP) and cationic amphipath chlorpromazine (CPZ) could dose-dependently activate the channel by leftward shifting the voltage activation curve when applied alone. In contrast, TNP and CPZ compensated each other's effect when applied sequentially. These results can be understood in the framework of the bilayer couple hypothesis, suggesting that stress in the plasma membrane can activate the SAKCa channel. Interestingly, the STREX-deletion mutant channel has much less sensitivity to the amphipaths, suggesting that STREX acts as an intermediate structure that can indirectly convey stress in the membrane to the gate of the SAKCa channel via an unidentified membrane associated protein(s) that can detect or transmit stress in the membrane.     

Membrane stretch and cytoplasmic Ca2+ independently modulate stretch-activated BK channel activity

Large conductance Ca²⁺-activated K⁺ (BK) channels are responsible for changes in chemical and physical signals such as Ca²⁺, Mg²⁺ and membrane potentials. Previously, we reported that a BK channel cloned from chick heart (SAKCaC) is activated by membrane stretch. Molecular cloning and subsequent functional characterization of SAKCaC have shown that both the membrane stretch and intracellular Ca²⁺ signal allosterically regulate the channel activity via the linker of the gating ring complex. Here we investigate how these two gating principles interact with each other. We found that stretch force activated SAKCaC in the absence of cytoplasmic Ca²⁺. Lack of Ca²⁺ bowl (a calcium binding motif) in SAKCaC diminished the Ca²⁺-dependent activation, but the mechanosensitivity of channel was intact. We also found that the abrogation of STREX (a proposed mechanosensing apparatus) in SAKCaC abolished the mechanosensitivity without altering the Ca²⁺ sensitivity of channels. These observations indicate that membrane stretch and intracellular Ca²⁺ could independently modulate SAKCaC activity.     

Activation of a mechanosensitive BK channel by membrane stress created with amphipaths

Some BK channels are activated in response to membrane stretch. However, it remains largely unknown which membrane component transmits forces to the channel and which part of the channel senses the force. Recently, we have shown that a BK channel cloned from chick heart (named SAKCa channel) is a stretch activated channel, while deletion of a 59 amino acids splice insert (STREX) located in the cytoplasmic side, abolishes its stretch-sensitivity. This finding raised a question whether stress in the bilayer is crucial for the mechanical activation of the channel. To address this question we examined the effects of membrane perturbing amphipaths on the stretch activation of the SAKCa channel and its STREX-deletion mutant. We found that both anionic amphipath trinitrophenol (TNP) and cationic amphipath chlorpromazine (CPZ) could dose-dependently activate the channel by leftward shifting the voltage activation curve when applied alone. In contrast, TNP and CPZ compensated each other's effect when applied sequentially. These results can be understood in the framework of the bilayer couple hypothesis, suggesting that stress in the plasma membrane can activate the SAKCa channel. Interestingly, the STREX-deletion mutant channel has much less sensitivity to the amphipaths, suggesting that STREX acts as an intermediate structure that can indirectly convey stress in the membrane to the gate of the SAKCa channel via an unidentified membrane associated protein(s) that can detect or transmit stress in the membrane.     

Involvement of BK channel in differentiation of vascular smooth muscle cells induced by mechanical stretch

The differentiation of vascular smooth muscle cells (VSMCs), which are exposed to mechanical stretch in vivo, plays an important role in vascular remodeling during hypertension. Here, we demonstrated the mechanobiological roles of large conductance calcium and voltage-activated potassium (BK) channels in this process. In comparison with 5% stretch (physiological), 15% stretch (pathological) induced the de-differentiation of VSMCs, resulting in significantly decreased expressions of VSMC markers, i.e., α-actin, calponin and SM22. The activity of BK channels, assessed by patch clamp recording, was significantly increased by 15% stretch and was accompanied by an increased alternative splicing of BK channel α-subunit at the stress axis-regulated exons (STREX). Furthermore, transfection of whole BK or STREX-deleted BK plasmids revealed that STREX was important for BK channels to sense mechanical stretch. Using thapsigargin (TG) which induces endoplasmic reticulum (ER) stress, and xbp1-targeted siRNA transfection which blocks ER stress, the results revealed that ER stress was contribute to stretch-induced alternative splicing of STREX. Our results suggested that during hypertension, pathological stretch may induce the ER stress in VSMCs, which affects the alternative splicing and activity of BK channels, and subsequently modulates VSMC differentiation.     

Use the force,fluke: Ligand-independent gating of Schistosoma mansoni ion channel TRPMPZQ

The parasitic flatworm ion channel, TRPM_PZQ, is a non-selective cation channel that mediates Ca²⁺ entry and membrane depolarization when activated by the anthelmintic drug, praziquantel (PZQ). TRPM_PZQ is conserved in all platyhelminth genomes scrutinized to date, with the sensitivity of TRPM_PZQ in any particular flatworm correlating with the overall sensitivity of the worm to PZQ. Conservation of this channel suggests it plays a role in flatworm physiology, but the nature of the endogenous cues that activate this channel are currently unknown. Here, we demonstrate that TRPM_PZQ is activated in a ligand-independent manner by membrane stretch, with the electrophysiological signature of channel opening events being identical whether evoked by negative pressure, or by PZQ. TRPM_PZQ is therefore a multimodal ion channel gated by both physical and chemical cues. The mechanosensitivity of TRPM_PZQ is one route for endogenous activation of this ion channel that holds relevance for schistosome physiology given the persistent pressures and mechanical cues experienced throughout the parasite life cycle.     

Membrane stretch augments the cardiac muscarinic K+ channel activity

Arachidonic acid has been shown to activate K⁺-selective, mechanosensitive ion channels in cardiac, neuronal and smooth muscle cells. Since the cardiac G protein (G _K )-gated, muscarinic K⁺ (K_ACh) channel can also be activated by arachidonic acid, we investigated whether the K_ACh channel was also sensitive to membrane stretch. In the absence of acetylcholine (ACh), K_ACh channels were not active, and negative pressure failed to activate these channels. With ACh (10 m) in the pipette, applying negative pressure (0 to –80 mm Hg) to the membrane caused a reversible, pressure-dependent increase in channel activity in cell-attached and inside-out patches (100 m GTP in bath). Membrane stretch did not alter the sensitivity of the K_ACh channel to GTP. When G _K was maximally activated with 100 m GTPS in inside-out patches, the K_ACh channel activity could be further increased by negative pressure. Trypsin (0.5 mg/ ml) applied to the membrane caused activation of the K_ACh channel in the absence of ACh and GTP; K_ACh channel activity was further increased by stretch. These results indicate that the atrial muscarinic K⁺ channels are modulated by stretch independently of receptor/G protein, probably via a direct effect on the channel protein/ lipid bilayer.     

Activation of Na+-permeant Cation Channel by Stretch and Cyclic AMP-dependent Phosphorylation in Renal Epithelial A6 Cells

It is currently believed that a nonselective cation (NSC) channel, which responds to arginine vasotocin (an antidiuretic hormone) and stretch, regulates Na⁺ absorption in the distal nephron. However, the mechanisms of regulation of this channel remain incompletely characterized. To study the mechanisms of regulation of this channel, we used renal epithelial cells (A6) cultured on permeable supports. The apical membrane of confluent monolayers of A6 cells expressed a 29-pS channel, which was activated by stretch or by 3-isobutyl-1-methylxanthine (IBMX), an inhibitor of phosphodiesterase. This channel had an identical selectivity for Na⁺, K⁺, Li⁺, and Cs⁺, but little selectivity for Ca²⁺ (P_Ca/P_Na < 0.005) or Cl⁻ (P_Cl/P_Na < 0.01), identifying it as an NSC channel. Stretch had no additional effects on the open probability (P _o) of the IBMX-activated channel. This channel had one open (“O”) and two closed (short “C _S” and long “C _L”) states under basal, stretch-, or IBMX-stimulated conditions. Both stretch and IBMX increased the P _o of the channel without any detectable changes in the mean open or closed times. These observations led us to the conclusion that a kinetic model “C _L ↔ C _S ↔ O” was the most suitable among three possible linear models. According to this model, IBMX or stretch would decrease the leaving rate of the channel for C _L from C _S, resulting in an increase in P _o. Cytochalasin D pretreatment abolished the response to stretch or IBMX without altering the basal activity. H89 (an inhibitor of cAMP-dependent protein kinase) completely abolished the response to both stretch and IBMX, but, unlike cytochalasin D, also diminished the basal activity. We conclude that: (a) the functional properties of the cAMP-activated NSC channel are similar to those of the stretch-activated one, (b) the actin cytoskeleton plays a crucial role in the activation of the NSC channel induced by stretch and cAMP, and (c) the basal activity of the NSC channel is maintained by PKA-dependent phosphorylation but is not dependent on actin microfilaments.     

Calcium channels and GABA receptors in the early embryonic chick retina

The properties of calcium channels were studied at the period of neurogenesis in the early embryonic chick retina. The whole neural retina was isolated from embryonic day 3 (E3) chick and loaded with a Ca²⁺-sensitive fluorescent dye (Fura-2). The retinal cells were depolarized by puff application of high-K⁺ solutions. Increases in intracellular Ca²⁺ concentrations were evoked by the depolarization through calcium channels. The type of calcium channel was identified as l-type by the sensitivity to dihydropyridines. The Ca²⁺ response was completely blocked by 10 μM nifedipine, whereas it was remarkably enhanced by 5 μM Bay K 8644. Then we sought a factor to activate the calcium channel and found that GABA could activate it by membrane depolarization at the E3 chick retina. Puff application of 100 μM GABA raised intracellular Ca²⁺ concentrations, and this Ca²⁺ response to GABA was also sensitive to the two dihydropyridines. Intracellular potential recordings verified clear depolarization by bath-applied 100 μM GABA. The Ca²⁺ response to GABA was mediated by GABA_A receptors, since the GABA response was blocked by 10 μgM bicuculline or 50 μM picrotoxin, and mimicked by muscimol but not by baclofen. Neither glutamate, kainate, nor glycine evoked any Ca²⁺ response. We conclude that l-type calcium channels and GABA_A receptors are already are already expressed before differentiation of retinal cells and synapse formation in the chick retina. A possibility is proposed that GABA might act as a trophic factor by activating l-type calcium channels via GABA_A receptors during the early period of retinal neurogenesis. © 1993 John Wiley & Sons, Inc.     

Baifuzi reduces transient ischemic brain damage through an interaction with the STREX domain of BKCa channels

Stroke is a long-term disability and one of the leading causes of death. However, no successful therapeutic intervention is available for the majority of stroke patients. In this study, we explored a traditional Chinese medicine Baifuzi (Typhonium giganteum Engl.). We show, at first, that the ethanol extract of Baifuzi exerts neuroprotective effects against brain damage induced by transient global or focal cerebral ischemia in rats and mice. Second, the extract activated large-conductance Ca²⁺-activated K⁺ channel (BK_Ca) channels, and BK_Ca channel blockade suppressed the neuroprotection of the extract, suggesting that the BK_Ca is the molecular target of Baifuzi. Third, Baifuzi cerebroside (Baifuzi-CB), purified from its ethanol extract, activated BK_Ca channels in a manner similar to that of the extract. Fourth, the stress axis hormone-regulated exon (STREX) domain of the BK_Ca channel directly interacted with Baifuzi-CB, and its deletion suppressed channel activation by Baifuzi-CB. These results indicate that Baifuzi-CB activated the BK_Ca channel through its direct interaction with the STREX domain of the channel and suggests that Baifuzi-CB merits exploration as a potential therapeutic agent for treating brain ischemia.     

Characterization of a Functionally Expressed Stretch-activated BKca Channel Cloned from Chick Ventricular Myocytes

We have characterized electrophysiological and pharmacological properties of a stretch-activated BKca channel (SAKcaC) that was cloned from cultured chick ventricular myocytes (CCVM) and expressed in chinese hamster ovary cells (CHO) using the patch-clamp technique. Our results indicate that the cloned SAKcaC keeps most of the key properties of the native SAKcaC in CCVM, such as conductance, ion selectivity, pressure-, voltage- and Ca²⁺-dependencies. However, there was a slight difference between these channels in the effects of channel blockers, charybdotoxin (CTX) and gadolinium (Gd³⁺). The native SAKcaC was blocked in an all-or-none fashion characterized as the slow blockade, whereas the conductance of the cloned SAKcaC was gradually decreased with the blockers concentration, without noticeable blocking noise. As the involvement of some auxiliary components was suspected in this difference, we cloned a BK -subunit from CCVM and coexpressed it with the cloned SAKcaC in CHO cells to examine its effects on the SAKcaC. Although the pharmacological properties of the cloned SAKcaC turned out to be very similar to the native one by the coexpression, it also significantly altered the key characteristics of SAKcaC, such as voltage- and Ca²⁺-dependencies. Therefore we concluded that the native SAKca in CCVM does not interact with the corresponding endogenous -subunit. The difference in pharmacological properties between the expressed SAKcaC in CHO and the native one in CCVM suggests that the native SAKca in CCVM is modulated by unknown auxiliary components.     

Activities of a Mechanosensitive Ion Channel in anE. Coli Mutant Lacking the Major Lipoprotein

Summary The activity of the mechanosensitive (MS) ion channels in membrane patches, excised fromE. coli spheroplasts, was analyzed using the patch-clamp technique. Outer membranes from a mutant lacking the major lipoprotein (Lpp) and its wildtype parent were examined. The MS-channel activities in the wild-type membrane rarely revealed substates at the time resolution used. These channels showed a stretch sensitivity indicated by the IISP (the suction for ane-fold increase in channel open probability) of 4.9 mm Hg suction. The MS-channel activities oflpp included a prominent substate and showed a weaker mechano-sensitivity with an 1/S _p of 10.0 mm Hg. Whereas small amphipaths (chlorpromazine, trinitrophenol) or a larger amphipath (lysolecithin) all activated the MS channel in the wild-type membrane under minimal suction, only the larger lysolecithin could activate the MS channel in thelpp membranes. After lysolecithin addition, thelpp membrane became more effective in transmitting the stretch force to the MS channel, as indicated by a steepening of the Boltzmann curve. We discuss one interpretation of these results, in which the major lipoprotein serves as a natural amphipath inserted in the inner monolayer and the loss of this natural amphipath makes the bilayer less able to transmit the gating force.     

The effects of stretch activation on ionic selectivity of the TREK-2 K2P K+ channel

The TREK-2 (KCNK10) K2P potassium channel can be regulated by variety of polymodal stimuli including pressure. In a recent study, we demonstrated that this mechanosensitive K⁺ channel responds to changes in membrane tension by undergoing a major structural change from its ‘down’ state to the more expanded ‘up’ state conformation. These changes are mostly restricted to the lower part of the protein within the bilayer, but are allosterically coupled to the primary gating mechanism located within the selectivity filter. However, any such structural changes within the filter also have the potential to alter ionic selectivity and there are reports that some K2Ps, including TREK channels, exhibit a dynamic ionic selectivity. In this addendum to our previous study we have therefore examined whether the selectivity of TREK-2 is altered by stretch activation. Our results reveal that the filter remains stable and highly selective for K⁺ over Na⁺ during stretch activation, and that permeability to a range of other cations (Rb⁺, Cs⁺ and NH₄⁺) also does not change. The asymmetric structural changes that occur during stretch activation therefore allow the channel to respond to changes in membrane tension without a loss of K⁺ selectivity.     

Palmitoylation of the S0-S1 Linker Regulates Cell Surface Expression of Voltage- and Calcium-activated Potassium (BK) Channels

S-Palmitoylation is rapidly emerging as an important post-translational mechanism to regulate ion channels. We have previously demonstrated that large conductance calcium- and voltage-activated potassium (BK) channels are palmitoylated within an alternatively spliced (STREX) insert. However, these studies also revealed that additional site(s) for palmitoylation must exist outside of the STREX insert, although the identity or the functional significance of these palmitoylated cysteine residues are unknown. Here, we demonstrate that BK channels are palmitoylated at a cluster of evolutionary conserved cysteine residues (Cys-53, Cys-54, and Cys-56) within the intracellular linker between the S0 and S1 transmembrane domains. Mutation of Cys-53, Cys-54, and Cys-56 completely abolished palmitoylation of BK channels lacking the STREX insert (ZERO variant). Palmitoylation allows the S0-S1 linker to associate with the plasma membrane but has no effect on single channel conductance or the calcium/voltage sensitivity. Rather, S0-S1 linker palmitoylation is a critical determinant of cell surface expression of BK channels, as steady state surface expression levels are reduced by ∼55% in the C53:54:56A mutant. STREX variant channels that could not be palmitoylated in the S0-S1 linker also displayed significantly reduced cell surface expression even though STREX insert palmitoylation was unaffected. Thus our work reveals the functional independence of two distinct palmitoylation-dependent membrane interaction domains within the same channel protein and demonstrates the critical role of S0-S1 linker palmitoylation in the control of BK channel cell surface expression.     

Differential excitatory effects of kainic acid on CA3 and CA1 hippocampal pyramidal neurons: Further evidence for the excitotoxic hypothesis and for a receptor-mediated action

CA₃ hippocampal pyramidal neurons are known to be extremely susceptible to the neurotoxic action of kainic acid (KA). The excitotoxic hypothesis claims that cytotoxic amino acids exert this effect via neuroexcitation. To put this hypothesis to the test, the responsiveness of CA₃ neurons to KA was assessed by means of microiontophoresis and compared to that of CA₁ and cortical neurons. CA₃ pyramidal neurons showed an extreme sensitivity to KA, much greater than that of CA₁ and cortical neurons. There was no such differential responsiveness to neither acetylcholine nor glutamate (GLU). The exquisite sensitivity of CA₃ neurons to both neurotoxic and neuroexcitatory actions of KA supports the excitotoxic hypothesis. The clear dissociation between the effects of KA and GLU on hippocampal pyramidal cells indicates that KA-induced activation is not mediated by GLU receptors and favors the notion that KA might act on specific receptors.     

Mechanism of ATP-sensitive K Channel Inhibition by Sulfhydryl Modification

ATP-sensitive potassium (K_ATP) channels are reversibly inhibited by intracellular ATP. Agents that interact with sulfhydryl moieties produce an irreversible inhibition of K_ATP channel activity when applied to the intracellular membrane surface. ATP appears to protect against this effect, suggesting that the cysteine residue with which thiol reagents interact may either lie within the ATP-binding site or be inaccessible when the channel is closed. We have examined the interaction of the membrane-impermeant thiol-reactive agent p-chloromercuriphenylsulphonate (pCMPS) with the cloned β cell K_ATP channel. This channel comprises the pore-forming Kir6.2 and regulatory SUR1 subunits. We show that the cysteine residue involved in channel inhibition by pCMPS resides on the Kir6.2 subunit and is located at position 42, which lies within the NH₂ terminus of the protein. Although ATP protects against the effects of pCMPS, the ATP sensitivity of the K_ATP channel was unchanged by mutation of C42 to either valine (V) or alanine (A), suggesting that ATP does not interact directly with this residue. These results are consistent with the idea that C42 is inaccessible to the intracellular solution, and thereby protected from interaction with pCMPS when the channel is closed by ATP. We also observed that the C42A mutation does not affect the ability of SUR1 to endow Kir6.2 with diazoxide sensitivity, and reduces, but does not prevent, the effects of MgADP and tolbutamide, which are mediated via SUR1. The Kir6.2-C42A (or V) mutant channel may provide a suitable background for cysteine-scanning mutagenesis studies.     

A nonselective cation channel activated by membrane deformation in oocytes of the ascidianBoltenia villosa

Summary Cell-attached patch clamp recordings from unfertilized oocytes of the ascidianBoltenia villosa reveal an ion channel which is activated by mechanical deformation of the membrane. These channels are seen when suction is applied to the patch pipette, but not in the absence of suction or during voltage steps. The estimated density of these stretch-activated channels is about 1.5/m², a figure equal to or greater than the density of known voltage-dependent channels in the oocyte. Ion substitution experiments done with combined whole-cell and attached patch recording, so absolute potentials are known, indicate that the channel passes Na⁺, Ca²⁺ and K⁺, but not Cl^–. The channel has at least two open and two closed states, with the rate constant that leaves the longer-lived closed state being the primary site of stretch sensitivity. External Ca²⁺ concentration affects channel kinetics: at low calcium levels, long openings predominate, whereas at high calcium virtually all openings are to the short-lived open state. In multiple channel patches, the response to a step change in suction is highly phasic, with channel open probability decreasing over several hundred milliseconds to a nonzero steady-state level after an initial rapid increase. This channel may play a role in the physiological response of cells of the early embryo to the membrane strains associated with morphogenetic events.     

ATP-regulated K+ channel in mitochondria: Pharmacology and function

Mitochondria from several tissues contain a potassium-specific channel similar to the ATP-regulated K⁺ (K_ATP) channel of the plasma membrane. The mitochondrial channel shares with the plasma membrane K_ATP channel the sensitivity to sulfonylurea derivatives and some other blockers as well as to channel openers of diverse chemical character. In contrast to the plasma membrane channel, which is blocked by free ATP, the mitochondrial K_ATP channel reconstituted into liposomes requires the ATP-Mg complex for inhibition. The mitochondrial K_ATP channel, possibly in a concerted action with other K⁺ permeability pathways, plays an important role in mitochondrial volume control. Its function in the regulation of the components of the protonmotive force is also suggested.     

Stretch-activated chloride,potassium, and calcium channels coexisting in plasma membranes of guard cells of Vicia faba L.

Mechanosensitive ion channels in the plasma membrane of Vicia faba guard cell protoplasts were studied by use of the patch clamp technique. Stretch-activated (SA) channels in outside-out patches were analyzed for channel conductance, kinetics and ion selectivity. We found three distinct SA channels, permeable to Cl^–, K⁺ and Ca²⁺ and distinguishable from spontaneous (non-SA) channels for these ions on the basis of conductance, kinetics, and voltage-dependence, as well as sensitivity to membrane stretch. In the attached patch configuration, light suction (2 to 10 kPa) reversibly induced channel opening with multiple amplitudes and complex kinetics. The open probability for SA channels increased nonlinearly with pipette suction. In guard cells in situ, these SA channels may mediate ion transport across the plasma membrane directly, as well as influence the activity of non-SA channels via effects on membrane voltage and cytoplasmic calcium. Through such effects, SA channels likely influence volume and turgor regulation of guard cells, and thereby control of leaf gas exchange.Abbreviations EK equilibrium potential for potassium transport - E_Cl equilibrium potential for chloride transport - SA stretchactivated Dedicated to the 80. birthday of Franz HedrichSupported by a grant from the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft to R.H. and a Department of Energy grant to D.J.C. gratefully acknowledges a John S. Guggenheim Fellowship and Fulbright Kommission Senior Professor Award. We thank Ingrid Baumann and Angela Schön for technical assistance, and Klaus Raschke and Heiner Busch for spirited discussions and support.