Lamins A and C bind and assemble at the surface of mitotic chromosomes

To study a possible interaction of nuclear lamins with chromatin, we examined assembly of lamins A and C at mitotic chromosome surfaces in vitro. When a postmicrosomal supernatant of metaphase CHO cells containing disassembled lamins A and C is incubated with chromosomes isolated from mitotic Chinese hamster ovary cells, lamins A and C undergo dephosphorylation and uniformly coat the chromosome surfaces. Furthermore, when purified rat liver lamins A and C are dialyzed with mitotic chromosomes into a buffer of physiological ionic strength and pH, lamins A and C coat chromosomes in a similar fashion. In both cases a lamin-containing supramolecular structure is formed that remains intact when the chromatin is removed by digestion with micrococcal nuclease and extraction with 0.5 M KCl. Lamins associate with chromosomes at concentrations approximately eightfold lower than the critical concentration at which they self-assemble into insoluble structures in the absence of chromosomes, indicating that chromosome surfaces contain binding sites that promote lamin assembly. These binding sites are destroyed by brief treatment of chromosomes with trypsin or micrococcal nuclease. Together, these data suggest the existence of a specific lamin-chromatin interaction in cells that may be important for nuclear envelope reassembly and interphase chromosome structure.     

The fates of chicken nuclear lamin proteins during mitosis: evidence for a reversible redistribution of lamin B2 between inner nuclear membrane and elements of the endoplasmic reticulum

In chicken, three structurally distinct nuclear lamin proteins have been described. According to their migration on two-dimensional gels, these proteins have been designated as lamins A, B1, and B2. To investigate the functional relationship between chicken lamins and their mammalian counterparts, we have examined here the state of individual chicken lamin proteins during mitosis. Current models proposing functional specializations of mammalian lamin subtypes are in fact largely based on the observation that during mitosis mammalian lamin B remains associated with membrane vesicles, whereas lamins A and C become freely soluble. Cell fractionation experiments combined with immunoblotting show that during mitosis both chicken lamins B1 and B2 remain associated with membranes, whereas lamin A exists in a soluble form. In situ immunoelectron microscopy carried out on mitotic cells also reveals membrane association of lamin B2, whereas the distribution of lamin A is random. From these results we conclude that both chicken lamins B1 and B2 may functionally resemble mammalian lamin B. Interestingly, immunolabeling of mitotic cells revealed an association of lamin B2 with extended membrane cisternae that resembled elements of the endoplasmic reticulum. Quantitatively, we found that all large endoplasmic reticulum-like membranes present in metaphase cells were decorated with lamin B2-specific antibodies. Given that labeling of these mitotic membranes was lower than labeling of interphase nuclear envelopes, it appears likely that during mitotic disassembly and reassembly of the nuclear envelope lamin B2 may reversibly distribute between the inner nuclear membrane and the endoplasmic reticulum.     

Redistribution of nuclear lamins in mitotic cells

The nuclear lamins are directed from the cytoplasm to chromosomes as part of the maturation pathway of the interphase nucleoskeleton. In mitosis, the three polypeptides lamin A, B and C were found in the cytoplasm from prophase until anaphase and shifted to chromosomal surfaces at telophase (Ely, D'Arcy and Jost, 1978; Gerace, Blum and Blobel, 1978). We show here that early events in nucleoskeleton formation could be regulated by extracellular pH. When exponentially growing tissue culture cells and cells arrested in mitosis were exposed to different extracellular pH values, three patterns of distribution of lamins were observed in mitotic cells: exclusively cytoplasmic distribution of mitotic lamins at low pH (6.8 to 7.3); a premature association of a lamin subfraction with metaphase chromosomes at intermediate pH 7.5; a more prominent relocation of lamins onto chromosomes in metaphase and in disorganized metaphase at pH 8.0. Reassembly of lamins occurred at telomeric ends of mitotic chromosomes followed by a lateral fusion to form a nuclear cage. Using immunogold localization, we show that pH-induced, premature, partial deposition of lamins onto condensed chromosomes may occur prior to the formation of the bilamellar nuclear envelope. These results suggest that the pH-induced redistribution of lamins acts to trigger early events of mitosis to interphase transition.     

The role of CaaX-dependent modifications in membrane association of Xenopus nuclear lamin B3 during meiosis and the fate of B3 in transfected mitotic cells

Recent evidence shows that the COOH-terminal CaaX motif of lamins is necessary to target newly synthesized proteins to the nuclear envelope membranes. Isoprenylation at the CaaX-cysteine has been taken to explain the different fates of A- and B-type lamins during cell division. A-type lamins, which loose their isoprenylation shortly after incorporation into the lamina structure, become freely soluble upon mitotic nuclear envelope breakdown. Somatic B-type lamins, in contrast, are permanently isoprenylated and, although depolymerized during mitosis, remain associated with remnants of nuclear envelope membranes. However, Xenopus lamin B3, the major B-type lamin of amphibian oocytes and eggs, becomes soluble after nuclear envelope breakdown in meiotic metaphase. Here we show that Xenopus lamin B3 is permanently isoprenylated and carboxyl methylated in oocytes (interphase) and eggs (meiotic metaphase). When transfected into mouse L cells Xenopus lamin B3 is integrated into the host lamina and responds to cell cycle signals in a normal fashion. Notably, the ectopically expressed Xenopus lamin does not form heterooligomers with the endogenous lamins as revealed by a coprecipitation experiment with mitotic lamins. In contrast to the situation in amphibian eggs, a significant portion of lamin B3 remains associated with membranes during mitosis. We conclude from these data that the CaaX motif-mediated modifications, although necessary, are not sufficient for a stable association of lamins with membranes and that additional factors are involved in lamin-membrane binding.     

Vimentin-associated mitotic vesicles interact with chromosomes in a lamin B- and phosphorylation-dependent manner.

We have assessed the involvement of the nuclear lamins in nuclear envelope reassembly. Analysis of perforated mitotic cells shows that A-type lamins are partly cytosolic and partly chromosome-bound, whereas B-type lamins are associated with vesicular structures throughout cell division. Lamin B-containing vesicles appear to dock on vimentin intermediate filaments during prometaphase, but dissociate from the cytoskeleton and assemble around chromatin at later phases of mitosis. Mitotic vesicles isolated from prometaphase cells en bloc with vimentin filaments can specifically capture chromosomes. Efficient chromosome capturing requires cytosolic factors and a dephosphorylating environment. Urea-stripping of the vesicles abolishes binding to chromosomes. However, reconstitution of the stripped membranes with purified B-type lamins restores their ability to bind to chromosomes in a cytosol- and dephosphorylation-dependent fashion. Vesicles reconstituted with B-type lamins form membraneous 'crescents' on the surfaces of chromosomes, but, unlike native vesicles, do not fuse into large sheets. From these observations we conclude that the initial targeting of mitotic vesicles to chromosomes is dependent on B-type lamins and on factors present in the mitotic cytoplasm. Apparently, further recruitment of membranes and fusion of chromosome-bound vesicles onto chromatin involves non-lamin peripheral membrane proteins.     

Lamin disassembly kinetics: A cell-free system with extracts from mitotic HeLa cells

We describe a cell-free system in which a postribosomal supernatant from metaphase HeLa cells induces prophase-like changes in permeabilized HeLa cell populations as evidenced by the nuclear lamin disassembly and chromatin condensation. We have attempted to characterize the cell-free system with permeabilized HeLa cells. First, by extracting lamins with agents known to disrupt the noncovalent interactions in the supramolecular lamin aggregate in interphase using polyclonal and a newly established monoclonal anti-lamin Ab 2E3, uniform extraction of lamins was achieved with urea and deoxycholate whereas the cation Mg2+ and 2-mercaptoethanol had little effect on the disassembly of interphase lamins. Second, cytoplasmic extract from mitotic HeLa cells, synchronized by a nitrous oxide metaphase arrest, was tested. It had a differential effect on interphase lamin depolymerization. Nuclei in G1 phase of the cell cycle were more resistant against the mitotic extracts than cells in S and G2 phase. The results are discussed in terms of a possible inactivation of mitotic extracts by factors present in nuclei in early interphase.     

The myristoylation site of meiotic lamin C2 promotes local nuclear membrane growth and the formation of intranuclear membranes in somatic cultured cells

Lamin C2 is a splice product of the mammalian lamin A gene and expressed in primary spermatocytes where it is distributed in the form of discontinuous plaques at the nuclear envelope. We have previously shown that the aminoterminal hexapetide GNAEGR of lamin C2 following the start methionine is essential for its association with the nuclear envelope and that the aminoterminal glycine of the hexapeptide is myristoylated. Here we have analyzed the ultrastructural changes induced in COS-7 and Xenopus A6 cells by overexpressing rat lamin C2 or a human lamin C mutant possessing the lamin C2-specific hexapeptide at its aminoterminus. Both lamins were targeted to the nuclear envelope of mammalian and amphibian cells and induced the formation of intranuclear membranes, whereas wild-type human lamin C and a lamin C2 mutant, that both lack this lipid moiety, did not. Our data indicate that the myristoyl group of lamin C2 has besides its demonstrated role in nuclear envelope association additional functions during spermatogenesis. Our present study complements previously published results where we have shown that the CxxM motif of lamins promotes nuclear membrane growth (Prüfert et al., 2004. J. Cell Sci. 117, 6105-6116).     

Nuclear lamins A and B1: different pathways of assembly during nuclear envelope formation in living cells

At the end of mitosis, the nuclear lamins assemble to form the nuclear lamina during nuclear envelope formation in daughter cells. We have fused A- and B-type nuclear lamins to the green fluorescent protein to study this process in living cells. The results reveal that the A- and B-type lamins exhibit different pathways of assembly. In the early stages of mitosis, both lamins are distributed throughout the cytoplasm in a diffusible (nonpolymerized) state, as demonstrated by fluorescence recovery after photobleaching (FRAP). During the anaphase-telophase transition, lamin B1 begins to become concentrated at the surface of the chromosomes. As the chromosomes reach the spindle poles, virtually all of the detectable lamin B1 has accumulated at their surfaces. Subsequently, this lamin rapidly encloses the entire perimeter of the region containing decondensing chromosomes in each daughter cell. By this time, lamin B1 has assembled into a relatively stable polymer, as indicated by FRAP analyses and insolubility in detergent/high ionic strength solutions. In contrast, the association of lamin A with the nucleus begins only after the major components of the nuclear envelope including pore complexes are assembled in daughter cells. Initially, lamin A is found in an unpolymerized state throughout the nucleoplasm of daughter cell nuclei in early G1 and only gradually becomes incorporated into the peripheral lamina during the first few hours of this stage of the cell cycle. In later stages of G1, FRAP analyses suggest that both green fluorescent protein lamins A and B1 form higher order polymers throughout interphase nuclei.     

A lamin-independent pathway for nuclear envelope assembly

The nuclear envelope is composed of membranes, nuclear pores, and a nuclear lamina. Using a cell-free nuclear assembly extract derived from Xenopus eggs, we have investigated how these three components interact during nuclear assembly. We find that the Xenopus embryonic lamin protein LIII cannot bind directly to chromatin or membranes when each is present alone, but is readily incorporated into nuclei when both of the components are present together in an assembly extract. We find that depleting lamin LIII from an extract does not prevent formation of an envelope consisting of membranes and nuclear pores. However, these lamin-depleted envelopes are extremely fragile and fail to grow beyond a limited extent. This suggests that lamin assembly is not required during the initial steps of nuclear envelope formation, but is required for later growth and for maintaining the structural integrity of the envelope. We also present results showing that lamins may only be incorporated into nuclei after DNA has been encapsulated within an envelope and nuclear transport has been activated. With respect to nuclear function, our results show that the presence of a nuclear lamina is required for DNA synthesis to occur within assembled nuclei.     

Type B lamins remain associated with the integral nuclear envelope protein p58 during mitosis: implications for nuclear reassembly.

p58 (also referred to as the lamin B receptor) is an integral membrane protein of the nuclear envelope known to form a multimeric complex with the lamins and other nuclear proteins during interphase. To examine the fate of this complex during mitosis, we have investigated the partitioning and the molecular interactions of p58 in dividing chicken hepatoma (DU249) cells. Using confocal microscopy and double immunolabelling, we show here that lamins B1 and B2 co-localize with p58 during all phases of mitosis and co-assemble around reforming nuclei. A close juxtaposition of p58/lamin B-containing vesicles and chromosomes is already detectable in metaphase; however, p58 and lamin reassembly proceeds slowly and is completed in late telophase--G1. Flotation of mitotic membranes in sucrose density gradients and analysis of mitotic vesicles by immunoelectron microscopy confirms that p58 and most of the type B lamins reside in the same compartment. Co-immunoprecipitation of both proteins by affinity-purified anti-p58 antibodies shows that they are physically associated in the context of a mitotic p58 'sub-complex'. This sub-assembly does not include the type A lamins which are fully solubilized during mitosis. Our data provide direct, in vivo and in vitro evidence that the majority of type B lamins remain connected to nuclear membrane 'receptors' during mitosis. The implications of these findings in nuclear envelope reassembly are discussed below.     

The conserved carboxy-terminal cysteine of nuclear lamins is essential for lamin association with the nuclear envelope

We have analyzed the interaction of soluble nuclear lamins with the nuclear envelope by microinjection of normal and mutated lamins into the cytoplasm of Xenopus laevis oocytes. Our results demonstrate that the conserved cysteine of the carboxy-terminal tetrapeptide Cys Ala/Ser Ile Met of lamins is essential for their association with the nuclear envelope. Removal of this sequence or replacement of the cysteine by serine resulted in Xenopus lamin L1 remaining in a soluble, non-envelope-associated state within the nucleus. Similar mutations of Xenopus lamin A resulted in only partial reduction of nuclear envelope association, indicating that lamin A contains additional signals that can partially compensate for the lack of the cysteine. Mammalian lamin C lacks this tetrapeptide and is not associated with the nuclear envelope in our experimental system. Cloning of the tetrapeptide Cys Ala Ile Met to the carboxy terminus of human lamin C resulted in lamin being found in a nuclear envelope-associated form in oocytes. Mutations at the amino terminus and in the alpha-helical region of lamin L1 revealed that the carboxy terminus mediates the association of lamins with the nuclear envelope; however, this alone is insufficient for maintenance of a stable association with the nuclear envelope.     

Lamin B methylation and assembly into the nuclear envelope

Lamin B is reversibly methyl-esterified and phosphorylated during the mammalian cell cycle. In order to study the role of methylation in lamin B function, we isolated mitotic cells in the presence of the microtubule inhibitor, nocodazole. Following removal of nocodazole, methylation of mitotic lamin B was found to precede its assembly into the nuclear envelope as cells exited mitosis. Very little additional methylation took place on assembled lamins. We were able to slow the rate of lamin B methylation with methylthioadenosine (MTA). A delay in lamin B methylation was accompanied by a corresponding delay in assembly of lamin B into the envelope. The delay was approximately 20-30 min beyond the typical 60-70 min usually required. Assembly of lamins A and C, which are not methylated, was also delayed by MTA, although to a lesser degree, suggesting that an interaction between the lamins is necessary for formation of the nuclear envelope. Chromatin decondensation was also slowed in the presence of MTA. Other inhibitors of methylation which had no inhibitory effect on the methyl esterification of lamin B were tested and found to have no effect on envelope assembly or chromatin decondensation. These results were obtained with Chinese hamster ovary cells as well as with the stem cell line, PC 13. Dephosphorylation of lamin B normally follows a time course similar to that of nuclear envelope assembly. In the presence of MTA, however, lamin B assembly was slowed with little effect on dephosphorylation. This resulted in a large population of dephosphorylated, but unassembled, lamin B protein, demonstrating that dephosphorylation is not sufficient for envelope assembly. The lack of effect on the time course of dephosphorylation also suggests that MTA is not acting upstream of the methylation event.     

A fractionated cell-free system for analysis of prophase nuclear disassembly

We describe a cell-free system in which a postribosomal supernatant (s140) from metaphase Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells induces prophase-like changes in isolated CHO cell nuclei, including chromatin condensation, and nuclear envelope and lamina disassembly. These events are strongly promoted by gamma-S-ATP and an ATP-regenerating system, and do not take place with an s140 derived from G2-phase cells. The metaphase cell s140 also induces disassembly of an isolated nuclear lamina fraction that is depleted of membranes, chromatin, and nuclear pore complexes. Disassembly of the isolated lamina is accompanied by phosphorylation of the major lamina proteins (lamins A, B, and C) to levels characteristic of metaphase cells. Kinetic analysis of lamina depolymerization indicates that cooperativity may be involved in this process. The biochemical properties of in vitro lamina disassembly suggest that the activity that depolymerizes the lamina during mitosis is soluble in metaphase cells, and support the notion that this activity is a lamin protein kinase.     

Identification and redistribution of lamins during nuclear differentiation in mouse spermatogenesis

Chromatin may be attached to the nuclear envelope through interaction of the nuclear membrane lamins A, B, and C. Such a hypothesis requires that these proteins are present in all cells with chromatin attachment to the nuclear envelope. We have investigated the distribution of the lamins during spermatogenesis in mouse, which exhibits extremes in nuclear envelope structural changes. By immunohistochemical techniques using human auto-antibodies and monoclonal antibodies against these molecules, we found that the lamins persist through all stages of spermatogenesis, though in highly variable amounts. They are also present during meiotic prophase (pachytene) when chromosomes are only locally attached to the nuclear envelope, analogous to the early prophase of somatic cells. Restructuring of the early spermatid nuclear envelope is accompanied by the appearance of a new lamin at the acrosomal fossa. In the epididymal spermatozoon the distribution of different lamins varies markedly over the nucleus suggesting special structural functions. The presence of lamins throughout spermatogenesis supports the concept that they are a general feature of the nuclear envelope structure, even where a lamina is not recognizable ultrastructurally.     

Integral Membrane Proteins of the Nuclear Envelope Are Dispersed throughout the Endoplasmic Reticulum during Mitosis

We have analyzed the fate of several integral membrane proteins of the nuclear envelope during mitosis in cultured mammalian cells to determine whether nuclear membrane proteins are present in a vesicle population distinct from bulk ER membranes after mitotic nuclear envelope disassembly or are dispersed throughout the ER. Using immunofluorescence staining and confocal microscopy, we compared the localization of two inner nuclear membrane proteins (laminaassociated polypeptides 1 and 2 [LAP1 and LAP2]) and a nuclear pore membrane protein (gp210) to the distribution of bulk ER membranes, which was determined with lipid dyes (DiOC₆ and R6) and polyclonal antibodies. We found that at the resolution of this technique, the three nuclear envelope markers become completely dispersed throughout ER membranes during mitosis. In agreement with these results, we detected LAP1 in most membranes containing ER markers by immunogold electron microscopy of metaphase cells. Together, these findings indicate that nuclear membranes lose their identity as a subcompartment of the ER during mitosis. We found that nuclear lamins begin to reassemble around chromosomes at the end of mitosis at the same time as LAP1 and LAP2 and propose that reassembly of the nuclear envelope at the end of mitosis involves sorting of integral membrane proteins to chromosome surfaces by binding interactions with lamins and chromatin.     

Lamins position the nuclear pores and centrosomes by modulating dynein

Lamins, the type V nuclear intermediate filament proteins, are reported to function in both interphase and mitosis. For example, lamin deletion in various cell types can lead to an uneven distribution of the nuclear pore complexes (NPCs) in the interphase nuclear envelope, whereas deletion of B-type lamins results in spindle orientation defects in mitotic neural progenitor cells. How lamins regulate these functions is unknown. Using mouse cells deleted of different combinations or all lamins, we show that lamins are required to prevent the aggregation of NPCs in the nuclear envelope near centrosomes in late G2 and prophase. This asymmetric NPC distribution in the absence of lamins is caused by dynein forces acting on NPCs via the dynein adaptor BICD2. We further show that asymmetric NPC distribution upon lamin depletion disrupts the distribution of BICD2 and p150 dynactin on the nuclear envelope at prophase, which results in inefficient dynein-driven centrosome separation during prophase. Therefore lamins regulate microtubule-based motor forces in vivo to ensure proper NPC distribution in interphase and centrosome separation in the mitotic prophase.     

The alpha-helical rod domain of human lamins A and C contains a chromatin binding site.

We examined regions of human lamins A and C involved in binding to surfaces of mitotic chromosomes. An Escherichia coli expression system was used to produce full-length lamin A and lamin C, and truncated lamins retaining the central alpha-helical rod domain (residues 34-388) but lacking various amounts of the amino-terminal 'head' and carboxy-terminal 'tail' domains. We found that lamin A, lamin C and lamin fragments lacking the head domain and tail sequences distal to residue 431 efficiently assembled into paracrystals and strongly associated with mitotic chromosomes. Furthermore, the lamin rod domain also associated with chromosomes, although efficient chromosome coating required the pH 5-6 conditions needed to assemble the rod into higher order structures. Biochemical assays showed that chromosomes substantially reduced the critical concentration for assembly of lamin polypeptides into pelletable structures. Association of the lamin rod with chromosomes was abolished by pretrypsinization of chromosomes, and was not seen for vimentin (which possesses a similar rod domain). These data demonstrate that the alpha-helical rod of lamins A and C contains a specific chromosome binding site. Hence, the central rod domain of intermediate filament proteins can be involved in interactions with other cellular structures as well as in filament assembly.     

Membrane-associated lamins in Xenopus egg extracts: identification of two vesicle populations

Nuclear lamin isoforms of vertebrates can be divided into two major classes. The B-type lamins are membrane associated throughout the cell cycle, whereas A-type lamins are recovered from mitotic cell homogenates in membrane-free fractions. A feature of oogenesis in birds and mammals is the nearly exclusive presence of B-type lamins in oocyte nuclear envelopes. In contrast, oocytes and early cleavage embryos of the amphibian Xenopus laevis are believed to contain a single lamin isoform, lamin LIII, which after nuclear envelope breakdown during meiotic maturation is reported to be completely soluble. Consequently, we have reexamined the lamin complement of Xenopus oocyte nuclear envelopes, egg extracts, and early embryos. An mAb (X223) specific for the homologous B-type lamins B2 of mouse and LII of Xenopus somatic cells (Hoger, T., K. Zatloukal, I. Waizenegger, and G. Krohne. 1990. Chromosoma. 99:379-390) recognized a Xenopus oocyte nuclear envelope protein biochemically distinct from lamin LIII and very similar or identical to somatic cell lamin LII. Oocyte lamin LII was detectable in nuclear envelopes of early cleavage embryos. Immunoblotting of fractionated egg extracts revealed that approximately 20-23% of lamin LII and 5-7% of lamin LIII were membrane associated. EM immunolocalization demonstrated that membrane-bound lamins LII and LIII are associated with separate vesicle populations. These findings are relevant to the interpretation of nuclear reconstitution experiments using Xenopus egg extracts.     

A phosphorylation cluster in the chromatin-binding region regulates chromosome association of LAP2alpha

LAP2alpha is a LEM family protein associated with nucleoplasmic A-type lamins and chromatin in interphase. Like lamins and other lamina proteins LAP2alpha is cytoplasmic in metaphase, but it associates with chromosomes prior to nuclear envelope formation in late anaphase to telophase. In vitro phosphorylation analysis and mass spectrometry identified a cluster of at least three mitotic cyclin-dependent kinase 1 phosphorylation sites in the C-terminal chromatin-binding region of LAP2alpha as well as four additional potential sites in the cluster, some of which were targeted alternatively in LAP2alpha mutated at the major sites. LAP2alpha mutants containing serine --> alanine mutations at all seven sites revealed a clear phenotype. Mutated LAP2alpha remained associated with chromosomes throughout mitosis, but the dissociation of lamins into the cytoplasm and nuclear envelope disassembly were not affected. These data demonstrate the in vivo significance of mitotic phosphorylation for the dynamic behavior of LAP2alpha in the cell cycle and show that, unlike the interaction with lamins, the chromatin association of LAP2alpha is regulated by multiple mitosis-specific phosphorylation at sites clustered within a defined region in the C terminus of the protein.     

Interphase nuclear envelope lamins form a discontinuous network that interacts with only a fraction of the chromatin in the nuclear periphery

Antibodies directed against nuclear envelope lamin proteins have been used in conjunction with three-dimensional light and electron microscope methodologies to determine the spatial organization of lamins in diploid interphase nuclei and to relate this organization to the positions of chromatin in the nuclear periphery. Using Drosophila early embryos, Drosophila Kc cells, and human HeLa cells, it is qualitatively and quantitatively observed that lamins are organized as a highly discontinuous, apparently fibrillar network that leaves large voids in the nuclear periphery containing little or no lamin. Using fluorescence microscopy to compare and quantitate the relationship between chromatin and the lamin network, it is found that although there is a strong tendency for the most peripheral chromatin to be positioned directly underneath a lamin fiber, only a small fraction of the chromatin in the nuclear periphery is sufficiently close to a lamin fiber to possibly be in direct contact.