Interaction of formamidines with octopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclase receptor in the nerve cord of Periplaneta americana L

Chlordimeform (CDM) and demethylchloridimeform (DCDM) mimic the action of octopamine in elevating adenylate cyclase activity in intact nerve cords of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana. At a concentration of 1 x 10(-5)M, DCDM (13.5x increase within 20 minutes) is a more potent effector of the response than CDM (3x increase within 20 minutes), but both compounds show less efficacy than octopamine (23.5x increase within 15 minutes). DCDM also mimics the stimulatory effect of octopamine on adenylate cyclase activity in nerve cord homogenates whereas CDM has no demonstrable effect on this preparation. The octopamine- and DCDM-induced responses are competitively inhibited by phentolamine (1 x 10(-6)M) and cyproheptadine (1 x 10(-6)M) but not by propranolol (1 x 10(-6)M). DCDM and CDM inhibit the octopamine-induced activation of adenylate cyclase by 33% and 44% respectively. The results are discussed in light of the proposal that DCDM serves as a partial agonist and CDM as an antagonist of the octopamine receptor.     

Synthesis and Octopaminergic Agonist Activity of 2-(Substituted benzylamino)-2-thiazolines

2-(Substituted benzylamino)-2-thiazolines (SBAT) were synthesized by a hydrochloric acid-catalyzed cyclization of the corresponding thioureas, using a reaction of 2-methylthio-2-thiazoline with substituted benzylamines or by alkylating 2-amino-2-thiazoline. 2-(Alkylthio)-2-thiazolines were obtained by alkylating 2-mercaptothiazoline. Most of the SBAT compounds activated adenylate cyclase in homogenates of cockroach ventral nerve cords; the effect of introducing substituents at the phenyl of the SBAT compounds on octopaminergic agonist activity was not significant. 2-[β-(Substituted phenyl)ethylamino]-2-thiazolines and 2-(alkylthio)-2-thiazolines were not significant octopaminergic agonists. Washing removed nearly all of the activity of one of the SBAT compounds, suggesting that the SBAT compounds bound reversibly to the octopaminergic receptor.     

Agonist-induced desensitization of an octopamine receptor

The octopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclase associated with haemocytes of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana, has been used as a model system with which to study desensitization of the octopamine receptor. Preincubation of the haemocytes with octopamine results in a large decrease in subsequent maximal stimulation of cyclic AMP production by octopamine with little change in affinity of the receptor for the agonist. This effect of preincubation is dependent upon the concentration of octopamine in the preincubation media and on the duration of exposure. The attenuation appears to be a receptor-mediated event rather than an artifact of the preincubation. Octopamine receptor agonists (octopamine, synephrine, N-demethylchlordimeform) induce desensitization while biogenic amines with poor octopamine receptor affinity (dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine) are without affect. In contrast, the octopamine receptor antagonist, phentolamine, appears to enhance subsequent stimulation by octopamine. The attenuation of octopamine stimulation of adenylate cyclase is conserved in broken-cell preparations with no alteration of responses to NaF or forskolin. Incubation of the cells with dibutyryl cyclic AMP or forskolin does not induce desensitization. The data indicate that the OA receptors coupled to AC in cockroach haemocytes undergo an homologous desensitization in response to exposure to agonists.     

Characterization of a potent agonist of the insect octopamine-receptor-coupled adenylate cyclase

The imidazoline, 2,3-xylylaminomethyl-2′-imidazoline (XAMI) was evaluated for its effects on octopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclase (OSAC) in crude membrane preparations of neural and non-neural tissues of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana and ventral-nerve cord homogenates of the tobacco hornworm, Manduca sexta. In the cockroach nerve cord, XAMI was found to be a partial agonist with a V_max 80% of p-octopamine (OA) and a K_a of 30 nM. The affinity is 185 times greater than that of OA. Additivity studies suggest that at maximally stimulating concentrations, XAMI interacts primarily with the OSAC. The antagonist profile for XAMI mimics that of OA with mianserin being the best antagonist, followed by the α-adrenergic antagonist phentolamine. These antagonists were shown to act competitively at the XAMI-binding site. β-adrenergic and dopaminergic antagonists were ineffective. These data indicate that XAMI has the highest reported affinity of any OA-receptor agonist and may be a suitable ligand for studies of the OA receptor.     

Receptor-mediated inhibition of octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase in the optic lobe of Octopus vulgaris

1. Inhibition of octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase was studied in the optic lobe of Octopus vulgaris.2. The octopamine antagonist, mianserin, and the dopamine D₂ agonists, PPHT and metergoline, induced dose-dependent inhibition of octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase activity.3. The binding of the tritiated benzazepine neuroleptic YM-09151-2 to octopus membranes and the displacement of [³H]YM-09151-2 by PPHT, metergoline and spiperone were consistent with the presence of a D₂-like dopamine receptor in the octopus optic lobe.4. The conclusion is drawn that octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase in the octopus is negatively regulated by a dopamine D₂-like receptor.     

Biogenic amine uptake by nerve cords from the American cockroach and the influence of amidines on amine uptake and release

Uptake of 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT) by isolated whole nerve cords of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana (L.), involved a dual component system, with one component consisting of rapid active uptake and the other of passive diffusion. Using high performance liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection, it was shown that nerve cords contained 5-HT levels of about 350 ng/g and an equivalent amount of 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA), a 5-HT metabolite not previously reported in cockroach nerve cords. Amidines had no discernable effect on uptake of 5-HT or octopamine by nerve cords or on endogenous levels of 5-HT and 5-HIAA in cords.     

Octopaminergic modulation of the femoral chordotonal organ in the stick insect

The modulatory action of DL-octopamine on the multicellular femoral chordotonal organ (fCO) of the stick insect Cuniculina impigra was examined using extracellular recordings from the fCO nerve and intracellular recordings from single sensory neurons. To determine the octopaminergic effect on position, velocity and/or acceleration sensitivity of mechanoreceptors direct mechanical stimulations with defined parameters were applied to the fCO apodeme. The spontaneous activity in the fCO nerve was enhanced in a dose-dependent manner by octopamine (threshold at 5 × 10^?7 M). This was based on enhanced activity of position sensitive neurons as the fCO activity for all position stimuli was shifted to higher values. Intracellular recordings of single sensory cells showed that velocity-sensitivity of single sensory cells was not altered by octopamine. Similarly, the response of fCO afferents to ramp-and-hold stimuli revealed that acceleration sensitivity was unaffected by octopamine. The observed alterations in the fCO activity indicate that responses to static stimuli are enhanced while responses to motion stimuli are not affected by octopamine. These findings suggest that the octopaminergic modulation of the fCO may affect the animals' posture and those leg movements that rely on position information.     

Stimulation of diamondback moth (Plutella xylostella) adenylate cyclase activity by a carbodiimide

1. DFCD or 3-(2,6-diisopropyl-4-phenoxyphenyl)-1-tert-butylcarbodiimide, a toxic metabolite of the thiourea acaricide/insecticide diafenthiuron, stimulated adenylate cyclase activity in preparations from heads of adult diamondback moths, Ptutella xylostella (L.).2. Depending upon assay conditions, DFCD gave a biphasic response with K_a, values of 0.025 and 1.25 μM for high and low affinity components, respectively, or a monophasic response with a K_a of 0.4 μM.3. Studies with potential agonists and antagonists suggested that octopamine-sensitive (K_a 7.5 μM) and dopamine-sensitive (K_a, 1.0μM) adenylate cyclases were present.4. At maximally effective concentrations, the activity of DFCD was nonadditive to that of octopamine or dopamine.5. It appeared that DFCD was binding to octopamine- and dopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclases and that affinity of the carbodiimide was higher for the former than for the latter.6. These actions on biogenic amine-sensitive adenylate cyclases likely are involved in the toxicity of diafenthiuron to diamondback moths.     

Formamidines interact withDrosophila octopamine receptors,alter the flies' behavior and reduce their learning ability

Summary We have studied the effect of formamidines onDrosophila melanogaster. Low concentrations of formamidines are toxic to adultDrosophila. A mutant with reduced cAMP synthesis displays increased resistance to the toxin. Formamidines also reduce viability ofDrosophila eggs and retard imago eclosion. At sublethal concentrations, formamidines markedly affect the flies' behavior. Upon injection, the compounds increase muscle activity. Upon feeding, formamidines induce motor excitation, reduce phototaxis and impair olfactory learning without affecting the ability to recognize an olfactory cue. In vitro, two formamidines were found to inhibit octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase without affecting the basal activity of the enzyme, while a third one was found to stimulate adenylate cyclase; this stimulation was blocked by phentolamine and to a lesser degree by propranolol, thus resembling the effect of octopamine. The binding of [³H]octopamine toDrosophila head membranes was also inhibited. Taken together, our results indicate that formamidines interact with octopaminergic systems inDrosophila, exert both peripheral and central effects in the fly, and could be used to dissect the roles of octopamine in development and behavior, including behavioral plasticity. The results also suggest that formamidines could be used to select mutants in aminergic transmission and in the cAMP cascade.Abbreviations CDMF chlordimeform - DMPF N,N-dimethyl-N2-(2,4-dimethylphenyl) formamidine     

Octopamine Uptake and Metabolism in the Insect Nervous System

Several insect tissues were examined for their ability to take up octopamine in the presence and absence of sodium ions. The cockroach Malpighian tubules, ovary, and ventral nerve cord showed the highest level of sodium-dependent uptake. The adult firefly lantern exhibited substantial sodium-independent uptake. Some of these tissues were also examined for their ability to metabolize octopamine by N-acetylation. Measurable N-acetyltransferase activity was present in the cockroach ventral nerve cord, tobacco hornworm CNS, and firefly light organ. N-Acetylation is proposed to be the major metabolic pathway for octopamine in the cockroach (Periplaneta americana) nervous system. Several classes of compounds, including octopamine receptor agonists, tricyclic antidepressants, amphetamines, chloroethylbenzylamines, and some experimental insecticides, were tested for their ability to inhibit octopamine uptake and metabolism. The sodium-insensitive component of uptake was not inhibited by most compounds tested, but the sodium-sensitive component was strongly inhibited by xylamine, N-ethyl-N-chloroethyl-o-bromobenzylamine, and their aziridinium ions (60-100%). These compounds also effectively inhibited N-acetyl-transferase (IC50 values at or below 1 microM). Other good inhibitors of N-acetyltransferase included desipramine, synephrine, and an experimental insecticide, CGA 132427. Formamidine pesticides had limited effect on both processes, and neither action seems likely to be involved in their octopaminergic actions in vivo. Cocaine was unique in stimulating N-acetyltransferase activity. When inhibition of sodium-sensitive uptake is compared with inhibition of N-acetyltransferase in the cockroach ventral nerve cord, two groups of inhibitors are discernible. Type 1 compounds inhibit uptake without an effect on N-acetyltransferase, whereas type 2 compounds inhibit both processes. These results suggest a functional linkage between the uptake and acetylation of octopamine.     

A dopamine- and octopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclase in the nervous system of Octopus vulgaris

• 1.1. Adenylate cyclase activity was assayed in the optic lobe of Octopus vulgaris.
• 2.2. Both octopamine and dopamine stimulate the octopus adenylate cyclase, apparently by competing with the same receptor site.
• 3.3. (±)-2-Amino-6,7-dihydroxy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydronaphthalene-HBr (6,7-ADTN) and a number of phenylethanolamine derivatives stimulate the octopus adenylate cyclase activity.
• 4.4. The dopamine D-1 antagonists R(+)-7-chloro-8-hydroxy-3-methyl-1-phenyl-2,3,4,5-tetrahydro-1H-3-benzazepine-HCl (SCH-23390) and (±)-7-bromo-8-hydroxy-3-methyl-1-phenyl-2,3,4,5-tetrahydro-1H-3-benzazepine-HCl (SKF-83566) are unable to antagonize the effects of dopamine and octopamine, and similarly ineffective is the agonist (±)-1-phenyl-2,3,4,5-tetrahydro-1H-3-benzazepine-7,8-diol-HCl (SKF-38393).
• 5.5. No detectable binding of labelled SCH-23390 occurs on membrane preparations from octopus optic lobe.

     

Octopamine enhances phagocytosis in cockroach hemocytes: Involvement of inositol trisphosphate

Octopamine and 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT) were previously shown to affect phagocytosis in cockroach hemocytes through unidentified receptor-mediated events. In the present study, we examined the ability of 5-HT and octopamine to enhance inositol trisphosphate (IP₃) production using hemocyte membranes of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana. Octopamine enhanced IP₃ production with a maximal peak at 100 nM. Similarly, 5-HT enhanced IP₃ production with a maximal effect at 10 nM. The effects of 5-HT and octopamine are not additive, suggesting that both are working through the same receptor. Phentolamine, a general octopamine antagonist, blocked the effects of octopamine and 5-HT, while a mammalian 5-HT₂ antagonist that blocks 5-HT-sensitive receptors in insect peripheral tissue, ketanserin, did not. A pharmacological profile indicates that the receptor is similar to an octopamine₁-type. Octopamine at 1 μM increased phagocytosis in cockroach hemocytes exposed to Staphylococcus aureus in vitro, and this effect was mimicked by IP₃ (10 μM). The octopamine-treated hemocytes were shown to increase IP₃ production in the latter stage of phagocytosis. Adult cockroaches exposed to an LD₅₀ dose of S. aureus in conjunction with either 0.1 mM octopamine or the octopamine₁ agonist, clonidine, had higher survival rates compared to saline-treated cockroaches. Correspondingly, the octopamine₁ antagonist, chlorpromazine, partially blocked the octopamine-mediated increase in cockroach survival. © 1994 Wiley-Liss, Inc.     

Receptors for 3H-octopamine in the adult firefly light organ

3H-Octopamine binds reversibly and with high affinity to sites on adult firefly light organ membranes. The binding is characterized by multiple affinities. Scatchard analysis supported a two site binding model with a tentative Kd value of about 1 nM for the high affinity component. The more abundant lower affinity site had a Kd value of about 60 nM. Guanyl nucleotides (Gpp(NH)p and GTP) greatly reduced the apparent number of octopamine binding sites. Competition studies with known octopaminergic agonists including the formamidine pesticides chlordimeform (CDM) and N-demethyl chlordimeform (DCDM) showed the following rank order of potencies in displacing octopamine: DCDM greater than octopamine = synephrine greater than naphazoline greater than clonidine greater than CDM. It was also observed that phentolamine was much more active than propranolol in antagonizing OA-binding. These relative activities are similar to the abilities of the same compounds to alter adenylate cyclase activity in light organ homogenates. Together with the effect of GTP on binding, these results suggest that the binding sites are functional octopamine receptors of the light organ.     

Stimulatory effects of male accessory-gland extracts on the myogenicity and the adenylate cyclase activity of the oviduct of Locusta migratoria

The effects of male accessory-gland extracts on the myogenic contractions and the adenylate cyclase activity of the oviduct of Locusta migratoria have been examined. The extracts stimulated first the frequency and the amplitude, then the tonus of the oviduct contractions in dose-dependent and reversible ways. They also stimulated the adenylate cyclase activity of oviduct disrupted-cell preparations. Extracts of opalescent glands (one of the 15 male accessory glands) gave similar results with only a quantitative difference. The tonus response is probably independent of the adenylate cyclase activity because octopamine and forskolin did not mimic this effect, and also because phentolamine was unable to inhibit the effect.Frequency and mainly amplitude responses can be induced through an adenylate cyclase-dependent receptor as shown by the similitude of actions with octopamine and forskolin. However, since the effects on the adenylate cyclase activity of octopamine and the accessory-gland extracts were cumulative, we concluded that these compounds are acting on two discrete types of receptors. All these results suggest that male accessory-gland secretions directly act upon the oviduct, in one case through adenylate cyclase-dependent receptors.     

Octopamine- and dopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclase in the brain ofLocusta migratoria during its development

Octopamine- and dopamine-sensitive adenylate cyclases were studied in the brain of Locusta migratoria during its metamorphosis. In the adult brain the effects of octopamine and dopamine on adenylate cyclase were additive, suggesting the presence of separate populations of adenylate cyclase-linked receptors for octopamine and dopamine. There are no separate receptors for noradrenaline. Octopamine stimulates adenylate cyclase in both adult and larval brain; however, in adult brain octopamine is more potent than in larval brain. Dopamine stimulates adenylate cyclase activity only in adult brain. The sensitivity of adenylate cyclase to octopamine changes during the development of the animal. Phentolamine and cyproheptadine are potent antagonists of octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase, while propranolol has a weak effect. No cytosol factor which would modulate either basal or octopamine-stimulated adenylate cyclase was found. The effect of GTP and octopamine on adenylate cyclase was synergistic in adult brain but not in larval brain, while the effect of GppNHp and octopamine was synergistic in both adult and larval brains.     

Vasopressin inhibits the adenylate cyclase activity of human platelet particulate fraction through V1-receptors

Arg⁸-vasopressin inhibited the adenylate cyclase activity of human platelet particulate fraction up to a maximum of 27% (IC₅₀ = 1.2 nM). This inhibition required the presence of 10 μM GTP and was optimal with 100 mM NaCl. Orn⁸-vasopressin had similar effects. 1-Deamino-Val⁴, D-Arg⁸-vasopressin did not by itself affect adenylate cyclase activity but competitively inhibited the action of Arg⁸-vasopressin (pA₂ = 7.74). Arg⁸-vasopressin did not inhibit adenylate cyclase in intact platelets but instead caused platelet aggregation, an effect that was also competitively inhibited by 1-deamino-Val⁴, D-Arg⁸-vasopressin (pA₂ = 7.82). Thus, platelets possess vasopressin receptors of the V₁ type that, under appropriate conditions, can mediate either inhibition of platelet adenylate cyclase or platelet aggregation.     

Cyclic AMP does not mediate the action of synthetic hypertrehalosemic peptides from the corpus cardiacum of Periplaneta americana

Two synthetic peptides identical to those present in the corpus cardiacum of the American cockroach, Periplaneta americana, were tested for their effect on the production of cyclic AMP and the activation of glycogen phosphorylase in cockroach fat body. The peptides activate glycogen phosphorylase and promote trehalose production in incubated tissue when calcium is included in the incubation medium, but have no obvious effect on cyclic AMP levels. The lack of effect of the peptides on cyclic AMP production was confirmed in a fragmented membrane preparation. By contrast, an aqueous extract of corpus cardiacum activates glycogen phosphorylase, promotes trehalose production and elevates cyclic AMP levels in incubated tissue; the extract also enhances cyclic AMP production in the fragmented cell membrane preparation. Observations on the nature of cyclic AMP production in cockroach fat body indicate that the adenylate cyclase has a requirement for GTP and magnesium ions, is stimulated by fluoride and forskolin and, therefore, is similar to the adenylate cyclase complex of other eukaryotes.The results suggest that increases in intracellular calcium concentrations may mediate the expression of hypertrehalosemic effects by the synthetic peptides.     

Evidence for a defect in the number of β-adrenergic receptors and in the adenylate cyclase responsiveness to guanine nucleotides in fat cells after adrenalectomy

Receptor binding studies (?)-[³H]dihydroalprenolol as the ligand revealed, in adrenalectomized rat fat cells, a 50% decrease in the number of β-adrenergic receptors. er cell with no change in the receptor affinity for this ligand. Adrenalectomy caused no change in the binding affinity for isoproterenol of both high affinity and low affinity populations of the β-adrenergic receptors. Guanine nucleotide sensitivity of the agonist binding to β-receptors was also unaltered by adrenalectomy. Adrenalectomy caused a 30–40% decrease in the maximal response of adenylate cyclase to (?)-isoproterenol only when guanine nucleotides were present in the assay, without altering the (?)-isoproterenol concentration giving half-maximal adenylate cyclase stimulation (K_act values). The maximal response of adenylate cyclase to Gpp(NH)p also was lower in adrenalectomized membranes, indicating a defect at the guanine nucleotide regulatory site. Removal of adenosine by addition of adenosine deaminase failed to reverse the decreased adenylate cyclase response to isoproterenol in adrenalectomized rats. However, in intact fat cells, in which cyclic AMP accumulation in response to isoproterenol was decreased by adrenalectomy, removal of adenosine almost completely corrected this defect. These results indicate that the observed changes in the number of β-adrenergic receptors and in the ability of guanine nucleotides to stimulate adenylate cyclase, though explaining the decreased adenylate cyclase responsiveness to catecholamines, do probably not contribute significantly to the mechanism by which adrenalectomy decreases the lipolytic responsiveness of adipocyte to catecholamines. In addition, this study also suggests that the increased sensitivity to adenosine of lipolysis reported in adipocytes from adrenalectomized rats may result from an action of adenosine at a post-adenylate cyclase step, possibly on the cyclic AMP phosphodiesterase.     

Guanosine diphosphate binding,metabolism and regulation of follitropin-sensitive adenylate cyclase activity in Sertoli cell membranes

Nucleotides such as GTP and GDP appear to be involved in signal transduction via G protein modulation of adenylate cyclase activity. Studies on direct binding of [³H]GDP to membranes prepared from cultured immature rat Sertoli cells indicated that this process was reversible, approached steady state within 10 min, had a K_a of 4.5 ·10⁶M⁻¹ and was specific for guanine nucleotides. The non-hydrolyzable analog, guanosine 5′-O-[3-thio]triphosphate (GPPP[S]), was most effective as an inhibitor of [³H]GDP binding (ED₅₀ = 4.8·10⁻⁸M), whereas guanosine 5′-O-[2-thio]diphosphate (Gpp[S]) was less potent (ED₅₀ = 3.4·10⁻⁷M). Release of bound GDP was enhanced by follitropin (FSH) in the presence of Gppp[S], although not by FSH alone. Sertoli cell membranes possess guanine nucleotide hydrolase activity, where 95% of added nucleotide was rapidly degraded to guanosine. Binding kinetics were significantly influenced by nucleotide metabolism, which was prevented by controlling the Mg²⁺ concentration with EDTA and including App[NH]p to reduce nonspecific hydrolysis. Kinetic studies indicated that Gpp[S] inhibited (P < 0.05) Gppp[S]-stimulated adenylate cyclase activity (K_i = 1.8·10⁻⁷M), whereas basal activity remained unaffected. Addition of Gpp[S] to pre-activated enzyme (FSH plus GTP) resulted in a time-dependent decay of adenylate cyclase activity with a K_off value of 6 ± 1·min⁻¹. Using a two-stage pre-inculbation technique, adenylate cyclase activity was demonstrated to be sensitive to the nucleotide bound. When FSH was included, catalytic activity was not altered by the order of pre-incubation with the nucleotides. This suggested that the exchange of bound Gpp[S] for Gppp[S] was enhance by FSH. Activation and attenuation of FSH-sensitive adenylate cyclase activity is dependent on a nucleotide exchange mechanism which is driven by (1) the higher affinity of G for GTP than GDP, (2) enhanced release of GD when FSH is present and (3) GTP hydrolysis coupled to rapid metabolism of guanine nucleotides.     

Adenylate cyclase from Phycomyces sporangiophore

Transient changes in cyclic AMP levels accompany the light-growth response of the sporangiophore of Phycomyces blakesleeanus. Furthermore growth is regulated by endogenous hormones. Since adenylate cyclase may perform a role in these events, some properties of the enzyme from the sporangiophores of Phycomyces blakesleeanus are reported here. The enzyme is mostly particulate and activity is dependent on a divalent cation possibly Mg²⁺; Mn²⁺ and Ca²⁺ are inhibitory. Its K_m is 0.5 mM and the pH optimum is 7.8. Low levels of GTP markedly enhance activity. Nueleoside triphosphates, including ATP at high concentrations, are inhibitory while AMP and ADP and to a lesser extent IMP increase activity. Ouabain, NaF, and alloxan also inhibit Phycomyces cyclase. Pyruvate, imidazole, nucleoside monophosphates other than AMP and IMP, histamine, glucagon, octopamine, γ-aminobutyric acid and norepinephrine have little or no effect. However, high concentrations of epinephrine and dopamine tripled activity. The effect of dopamine was shown to be saturable. Adenylate cyclase extracted in the dark was significantly activated upon simultaneous exposure to light and substrate. An inference is made that sensory transduction in Phycomyces may involve adenylate cyclase, although the interaction may or may not be a direct one.