ROLE OF MULTIPLE FTSZ RINGS IN CHLOROPLAST DIVISION UNDER OLIGOTROPHIC AND EUTROPHIC CONDITIONS IN THE UNICELLULAR GREEN ALGA NANNOCHLORIS BACILLARIS (CHLOROPHYTA,TREBOUXIOPHYCEAE)1

Chloroplasts of the unicellular green alga Nannochloris bacillaris Naumann cultured under nutrient‐enriched conditions have multiple rings of FtsZ, a prokaryote‐derived chloroplast division protein. We previously reported that synthesis of excess chloroplast DNA and formation of multiple FtsZ rings occur simultaneously. To clarify the role of multiple FtsZ rings in chloroplast division, we investigated chloroplast DNA synthesis and ring formation in cells cultured under various culture conditions. Cells transferred from a nutrient‐enriched medium to an inorganic medium in the light showed a drop in cell division rate, a reduction in chloroplast DNA content, and changes in the shape of chloroplast nucleoids as cells divided. We then examined DNA synthesis by immunodetecting BrdU incorporated into DNA strands using the anti‐BrdU antibody. BrdU‐labeled nuclei were clearly observed in cells 48 h after transfer into the inorganic medium, while only weak punctate signals were visible in the chloroplasts. In parallel, the number of FtsZ rings decreased from 6 to only 1. When the cells were transferred from an inorganic medium to a nutrient‐enriched medium, the number of cells increased only slightly in the first 12 h after transfer; after this time, however, they started to divide more quickly and increased exponentially. Chloroplast nucleoids changed from punctate to rod‐like structures, and active chloroplast DNA synthesis and FtsZ ring formation were observed. On the basis of our results, we conclude that multiple FtsZ ring assembly and chloroplast DNA duplication under nutrient‐rich conditions facilitate chloroplast division after transfer to oligotrophic conditions without further duplication of chloroplast DNA and formation of new FtsZ rings.     

Chloroplast division machinery as revealed by immunofluorescence and electron microscopy

The division of chloroplasts (plastids) is critical for the viability of photosynthetic eukaryotes. Previously we reported on the chloroplast division apparatus, which consists of inner and outer double or triple rings (PD rings). Chloroplasts are assumed to arise from bacterial endosymbionts, while bacterial division is instigated by a bacterial cytokinesis Z-ring protein (FtsZ). Here we present immunofluorescence and electron-microscopic evidence of chloroplast division via complex machinery involving the FtsZ and PD rings in the higher plant Pelargonium zonale Ait. Prior to invagination, the FtsZ protein was attached to a ring at the stromal division site. Following formation of the FtsZ ring, the inner stromal and outer cytosolic PD rings appeared, signifying the initiation of invagination. The FtsZ ring and the PD rings were found at the leading edge of chloroplast constriction throughout division. During chloroplast division, neither the FtsZ nor the inner rings changed width, but the volume of the outer ring gradually increased. We suggest that the FtsZ ring determines the division region, after which the inner and outer PD rings are formed as a lining for the FtsZ ring. With the outer ring providing the motivating force, the FtsZ and inner PD rings ultimately decompose to their base components.     

Manipulation of starch granule size distribution in potato tubers by modulation of plastid division

Starch granule size is an important parameter for starch applications in industry. Starch granules are formed in amyloplasts, which are, like chloroplasts, derived from proplastids. Division processes and associated machinery are likely to be similar for all plastids. Essential roles for FtsZ proteins in plastid division in land plants have been revealed. FtsZ forms the so-called Z ring which, together with inner and outer plastid division rings, brings about constriction of the plastid. It has been shown that modulation of the expression level of FtsZ may result in altered chloroplast size and number. To test whether FtsZ is also involved in amyloplast division and whether this, in turn, may affect the starch granule size in crop plants, FtsZ protein levels were either reduced or increased in potato. As shown previously in other plant species, decreased StFtsZ1 protein levels in leaves resulted in a decrease in the number of chloroplasts in guard cells. More interestingly, plants with increased StFtsZ1 protein levels in tubers resulted in less, but larger, starch granules. This suggests that the stoichiometry between StFtsZ1 and other components of the plastid division machinery is important for its function. Starch from these tubers also had altered pasting properties and phosphate content. The importance of our results for the starch industry is discussed.     

FtsZ ring formation at the chloroplast division site in plants

Among the events that accompanied the evolution of chloroplasts from their endosymbiotic ancestors was the host cell recruitment of the prokaryotic cell division protein FtsZ to function in chloroplast division. FtsZ, a structural homologue of tubulin, mediates cell division in bacteria by assembling into a ring at the midcell division site. In higher plants, two nuclear-encoded forms of FtsZ, FtsZ1 and FtsZ2, play essential and functionally distinct roles in chloroplast division, but whether this involves ring formation at the division site has not been determined previously. Using immunofluorescence microscopy and expression of green fluorescent protein fusion proteins in Arabidopsis thaliana, we demonstrate here that FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 localize to coaligned rings at the chloroplast midpoint. Antibodies specific for recognition of FtsZ1 or FtsZ2 proteins in Arabidopsis also recognize related polypeptides and detect midplastid rings in pea and tobacco, suggesting that midplastid ring formation by FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 is universal among flowering plants. Perturbation in the level of either protein in transgenic plants is accompanied by plastid division defects and assembly of FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 into filaments and filament networks not observed in wild-type, suggesting that previously described FtsZ-containing cytoskeletal-like networks in chloroplasts may be artifacts of FtsZ overexpression.     

Two mechanosensitive channel homologs influence division ring placement in Arabidopsis chloroplasts

Chloroplasts must divide repeatedly to maintain their population during plant growth and development. A number of proteins required for chloroplast division have been identified, and the functional relationships between them are beginning to be elucidated. In both chloroplasts and bacteria, the future site of division is specified by placement of the Filamentous temperature sensitive Z (FtsZ) ring, and the Min system serves to restrict FtsZ ring formation to mid-chloroplast or mid-cell. How the Min system is regulated in response to environmental and developmental factors is largely unstudied. Here, we investigated the role in chloroplast division played by two Arabidopsis thaliana homologs of the bacterial mechanosensitive (MS) channel MscS: MscS-Like 2 (MSL2) and MSL3. Immunofluorescence microscopy and live imaging approaches demonstrated that msl2 msl3 double mutants have enlarged chloroplasts containing multiple FtsZ rings. Genetic analyses indicate that MSL2, MSL3, and components of the Min system function in the same pathway to regulate chloroplast size and FtsZ ring formation. In addition, an Escherichia coli strain lacking MS channels also showed aberrant FtsZ ring assembly. These results establish MS channels as components of the chloroplast division machinery and suggest that their role is evolutionarily conserved.     

ARC6 is a J-domain plastid division protein and an evolutionary descendant of the cyanobacterial cell division protein Ftn2

Replication of chloroplasts is essential for achieving and maintaining optimal plastid numbers in plant cells. The plastid division machinery contains components of both endosymbiotic and host cell origin, but little is known about the regulation and molecular mechanisms that govern the division process. The Arabidopsis mutant arc6 is defective in plastid division, and its leaf mesophyll cells contain only one or two grossly enlarged chloroplasts. We show here that arc6 chloroplasts also exhibit abnormal localization of the key plastid division proteins FtsZ1 and FtsZ2. Whereas in wild-type plants, the FtsZ proteins assemble into a ring at the plastid division site, chloroplasts in the arc6 mutant contain numerous short, disorganized FtsZ filament fragments. We identified the mutation in arc6 and show that the ARC6 gene encodes a chloroplast-targeted DnaJ-like protein localized to the plastid envelope membrane. An ARC6-green fluorescent protein fusion protein was localized to a ring at the center of the chloroplasts and rescued the chloroplast division defect in the arc6 mutant. The ARC6 gene product is related closely to Ftn2, a prokaryotic cell division protein unique to cyanobacteria. Based on the FtsZ filament morphology observed in the arc6 mutant and in plants that overexpress ARC6, we hypothesize that ARC6 functions in the assembly and/or stabilization of the plastid-dividing FtsZ ring. We also analyzed FtsZ localization patterns in transgenic plants in which plastid division was blocked by altered expression of the division site-determining factor AtMinD. Our results indicate that MinD and ARC6 act in opposite directions: ARC6 promotes and MinD inhibits FtsZ filament formation in the chloroplast.     

The division of pleomorphic plastids with multiple FtsZ rings in tobacco BY-2 cells

Plastids, an essential group of plant cellular organelles, proliferate by division to maintain continuity through cell lineages in plants. In recent years, it was revealed that the bacterial cell division protein FtsZ is encoded in the nuclear genome of plant cells, and plays a major role in the plastid division process forming a ring along the center of plastids. Although the best-characterized type of plastid division so far is the division with a single FtsZ ring at the plastid midpoint, it was recently reported that in some plant organs and tissues, plastids are pleomorphic and form multiple FtsZ rings. However, the pleomorphic plastid division mechanism, such as the formation of multiple FtsZ rings, the constriction of plastids and the behavior of plastid (pt) nucleoids, remains totally unclear. To elucidate these points, we used the cultured cell line, tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum L.) Bright Yellow-2, in which plastids are pleomorphic and show dynamic morphological changes during culture. As a result, it was revealed that as the plastid elongates from an ellipsoid shape to a string shape after medium renewal, FtsZ rings are multiplied almost orderly and perpendicularly to the long axis of plastids. Active DNA synthesis of pt nucleoids is induced by medium transfer, and the division and the distribution of pt nucleoids occur along with plastid elongation. Although it was thought that the plastid divides with simultaneous multiple constrictions at all the FtsZ ring sites, giving rise to many small plastids, we found that the plastids generally divide constricting at only one FtsZ ring site. Moreover, using electron microscopy, we revealed that plastid-dividing (PD) rings are observed only at the constriction site, and not at swollen regions. These results indicate that in the pleomorphic plastid division with multiple FtsZ rings, the formation of PD rings occurs at a limited FtsZ ring site for one division. Multiplied FtsZ rings seem to localize in advance at the expected sites of division, and the formation of a PD ring at each FtsZ ring site occurs in a certain order, not simultaneously. Based on these results, a novel model for the pleomorphic plastid division with multiple FtsZ rings is proposed.     

A plant-specific dynamin-related protein forms a ring at the chloroplast division site

Chloroplasts have retained the bacterial FtsZ for division, whereas mitochondria lack FtsZ except in some lower eukaryotes. Instead, mitochondrial division involves a dynamin-related protein, suggesting that chloroplasts retained the bacterial division system, whereas a dynamin-based system replaced the bacterial system in mitochondria during evolution. In this study, we identified a novel plant-specific group of dynamins from the primitive red alga Cyanidioschyzon merolae. Synchronization of chloroplast division and immunoblot analyses showed that the protein (CmDnm2) associates with the chloroplast only during division. Immunocytochemical analyses showed that CmDnm2 appears in cytoplasmic patches just before chloroplast division and is recruited to the cytosolic side of the chloroplast division site to form a ring in the late stage of division. The ring constricts until division is complete, after which it disappears. These results show that a dynamin-related protein also participates in chloroplast division and that its behavior differs from that of FtsZ and plastid-dividing rings that form before constriction at the site of division. Combined with the results of a recent study of mitochondrial division in Cyanidioschyzon, our findings led us to hypothesize that when first established in lower eukaryotes, mitochondria and chloroplasts divided using a very similar system that included the FtsZ ring, the plastid-dividing/mitochondrion-dividing ring, and the dynamin ring.     

A role for mechanosensitive channels in chloroplast and bacterial fission

The division site in both chloroplasts and bacteria is established by the medial placement of the FtsZ ring, a process that is in part regulated by the evolutionarily conserved components of the Min system. We recently showed that mechanosensitive ion channels influence FtsZ ring assembly in both Arabidopsis thaliana chloroplasts and in Escherichia coli; in chloroplasts they do so through the same genetic pathway as the Min system. Here we describe the effect of heterologous expression of the Arabidopsis MS channel homolog MSL2 on FtsZ ring placement in E. coli. We also discuss possible molecular mechanisms by which MS channels might influence chloroplast or bacterial division.     

A homologue of the bacterial cell division site-determining factor MinD mediates placement of the chloroplast division apparatus

BACKGROUND: Chloroplast division in plant cells occurs by binary fission, yielding two daughter plastids of equal size. Previously, we reported that two Arabidopsis homologues of FtsZ, a bacterial protein that forms a cytokinetic ring during cell division, are essential for plastid division in plants, and may be involved in the formation of plastid-dividing rings on both the stromal and cytosolic surfaces of the chloroplast envelope membranes. In bacteria, positioning of the FtsZ ring at the center of the cell is mediated in part by the protein MinD. Here, we identified AtMinD1, an Arabidopsis homologue of MinD, and investigated whether positioning of the plastid-division apparatus at the plastid midpoint might involve a mechanism similar to that in bacteria. RESULTS: Sequence analysis and in vitro chloroplast import experiments indicated that AtMinD1 contains a transit peptide that targets it to the chloroplast. Transgenic Arabidopsis plants with reduced AtMinD1 expression exhibited variability in chloroplast size and number and asymmetrically constricted chloroplasts, strongly suggesting that the plastid-division machinery is misplaced. Overexpression of AtMinD1 inhibited chloroplast division. These phenotypes resemble those of bacterial mutants with altered minD expression. CONCLUSIONS: Placement of the plastid-division machinery at the organelle midpoint requires a plastid-targeted form of MinD. The results are consistent with a model whereby assembly of the division apparatus is initiated inside the chloroplast by the plastidic form of FtsZ, and suggest that positioning of the cytosolic components of the apparatus is specified by the position of the plastidic components.     

Evolution of the chloroplast division machinery

Chloroplasts are photosynthetic organelles derived from endosymbiotic cyanobacteria during evolution.Dramatic changes occurred during the process of the formation and evolution of chloroplasts,including the large-scale gene transfer from chloroplast to nucleus.However,there are still many essential characters remaining.For the chloroplast division machinery,FtsZ proteins,Ftn2,SulA and part of the division site positioning system- MinD and MinE are still conserved.New or at least partially new proteins,such as FtsZ family proteins FtsZl and ARC3,ARC6H,ARC5,PDV1,PDV2 and MCD1,were introduced for the division of chloroplasts during evolution.Some bacterial cell division proteins,such as FtsA,MreB,Ftn6,FtsW and Ftsl,probably lost their function or were gradually lost.Thus,the chloroplast division machinery is a dynamically evolving structure with both conservation and innovation.     

PomZ,a ParA‐like protein,regulates Z‐ring formation and cell division in Myxococcus xanthus

Accurate positioning of the division site is essential to generate appropriately sized daughter cells with the correct chromosome number. In bacteria, division generally depends on assembly of the tubulin homologue FtsZ into the Z‐ring at the division site. Here, we show that lack of the ParA‐like protein PomZ in Myxococcus xanthus resulted in division defects with the formation of chromosome‐free minicells and filamentous cells. Lack of PomZ also caused reduced formation of Z‐rings and incorrect positioning of the few Z‐rings formed. PomZ localization is cell cycle regulated, and PomZ accumulates at the division site at midcell after chromosome segregation but prior to FtsZ as well as in the absence of FtsZ. FtsZ displayed cooperative GTP hydrolysis in vitro but did not form detectable filaments in vitro. PomZ interacted with FtsZ in M. xanthus cell extracts. These data show that PomZ is important for Z‐ring formation and is a spatial regulator of Z‐ring formation and cell division. The cell cycle‐dependent localization of PomZ at midcell provides a mechanism for coupling cell cycle progression and Z‐ring formation. Moreover, the data suggest that PomZ is part of a system that recruits FtsZ to midcell, thereby, restricting Z‐ring formation to this position.     

Orderly formation of the double ring structures for plastid and mitochondrial division in the unicellular red alga Cyanidioschyzon merolae

The formation of the plastid-dividing ring (PD ring) and mitochondrion-dividing ring (MD ring) was studied in a highly synchronous culture of the unicellular red alga Cyanidioschyzon merolae. The timing and the order of formation of the MD and PD rings were determined by observing organelles around the onset of their division, using transmission electron microscopy. In  C. merolae, there is one chloroplast and one mitochondrion per cell, and the shape of the chloroplast changes sequentially from acorn-like, to round, to trapezoidal, to peanut-shaped, in that order, during the early stage of chloroplast division. None of the cells with acorn-shaped or round chloroplasts contained organelles with PD rings or MD rings, while all of the cells with peanut-shaped chloroplasts contained organelles with both PD rings and MD rings. In cells with peanut-shaped chloroplasts, the PD and MD rings were double ring structures, with an outer ring located on the cytoplasmic face of the outer membrane of the organelle, and an inner ring located in the matrix beneath the inner membrane. These results suggested that the double ring structures of the PD ring and the MD ring form when chloroplasts are trapezoidal in shape. Detailed three-dimensional observation of cells with trapezoidal chloroplasts revealed the following steps in the formation of the double ring structures of the PD and MD rings: (i) the inner ring of the PD ring forms first, followed by the outer ring; (ii) then the MD ring forms and becomes visible; (iii) when the double ring structures of the two rings have formed, the microbody then moves from its remote location to the plane of division of the mitochondrion and contraction of the PD and MD rings commences. These steps were also confirmed by computer-aided three-dimensional reconstruction of the images from serial thin sections. This study reveals the order of formation of the double ring structures of the PD and MD rings, and the behavior of the microbody around the onset of division of plastids and mitochondria. The results also provide the first evidence that the inner PD ring is not a tension element formed by the contractile pressure but a definite structure, independent of the outer ring. Received: 31 March 1998 / Accepted: 14 May 1998     

In vivo quantitative relationship between plastid division proteins FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 and identification of ARC6 and ARC3 in a native FtsZ complex

FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 are phylogenetically distinct homologues of the tubulin-like bacterial cell division protein FtsZ that play major roles in the initiation and progression of plastid division in plant cells. Both proteins are components of a mid-plastid ring, the Z-ring, which functions as a contractile ring on the stromal surface of the chloroplast IEM (inner envelope membrane). FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 have been shown to interact, but their in vivo biochemical properties are largely unknown. To gain insight into the in vivo biochemical relationship between FtsZ1 and FtsZ2, in the present study we investigated their molecular levels in wild-type Arabidopsis thaliana plants and endogenous interactions in Arabidopsis and pea. Quantitative immunoblotting and morphometric analysis showed that the average total FtsZ concentration in chloroplasts of 3-week-old Arabidopsis plants is comparable with that in Escherichia coli. FtsZ levels declined as plants matured, but the molar ratio between FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 remained constant at approx. 1:2, suggesting that this stoichiometry is regulated and functionally important. Density-gradient centrifugation, native gel electrophoresis, gel filtration and co-immunoprecipitation experiments showed that a portion of the FtsZ1 and FtsZ2 in Arabidopsis and pea chloroplasts is stably associated in a complex of approximately 200-245 kDa. This complex also contains the FtsZ2-interacting protein ARC6 (accumulation and replicatioin of chloroplasts 6), an IEM protein, and analysis of density-gradient fractions suggests the presence of the FtsZ1-interacting protein ARC3. Based on the mid-plastid localization of ARC6 and ARC3 and their postulated roles in promoting and inhibiting chloroplast FtsZ polymer formation respectively, we hypothesize that the FtsZ1-FtsZ2-ARC3-ARC6 complex represents an unpolymerized IEM-associated pool of FtsZ that contributes to the dynamic regulation of Z-ring assembly and remodelling at the plastid division site in vivo.     

An evolutionary puzzle: chloroplast and mitochondrial division rings

Consistent with their bacterial origin, chloroplasts and primitive mitochondria retain a FtsZ ring for division. However, chloroplasts and mitochondria have lost most of the proteins required for bacterial division other than FtsZ and certain homologues of the Min proteins, but they do contain plastid and mitochondrion dividing rings, which were recently shown to be distinct from the FtsZ ring. Moreover, recent studies have revealed that rings of the eukaryote-specific dynamin-related family of GTPases regulate the division of chloroplasts and mitochondria, and these proteins emerged early in eukaryotic evolution. These findings suggest that the division of chloroplasts and primitive mitochondria involve very similar systems, consisting of an amalgamation of rings from bacteria and eukaryotes.     

A conserved coiled‐coil protein pair focuses the cytokinetic Z‐ring in Caulobacter crescentus

The cytoskeletal GTPase FtsZ assembles at midcell, recruits the division machinery and directs envelope invagination for bacterial cytokinesis. ZapA, a conserved FtsZ‐binding protein, promotes Z‐ring stability and efficient division through a mechanism that is not fully understood. Here, we investigated the function of ZapA in Caulobacter crescentus. We found that ZapA is encoded in an operon with a small coiled‐coil protein we named ZauP. ZapA and ZauP co‐localized at the division site and were each required for efficient division. ZapA interacted directly with both FtsZ and ZauP. Neither ZapA nor ZauP influenced FtsZ dynamics or bundling, in vitro, however. Z‐rings were diffuse in cells lacking zapA or zauP and, conversely, FtsZ was enriched at midcell in cells overproducing ZapA and ZauP. Additionally, FtsZ persisted at the poles longer when ZapA and ZauP were overproduced, and frequently colocalized with MipZ, a negative regulator of FtsZ polymerization. We propose that ZapA and ZauP promote efficient cytokinesis by stabilizing the midcell Z‐ring through a bundling‐independent mechanism. The zauPzapA operon is present in diverse Gram‐negative bacteria, indicating a common mechanism for Z‐ring assembly.     

拟南芥叶绿体分裂突变体pdl37的基因鉴定与分析

pd137是经甲基磺酸乙脂（ethyl methane sulphonate, EMS）诱变并通过筛选得到的一个拟南芥叶绿体分裂突变体。该突变体的叶绿体表型与野生型相比有很大差异： 叶绿体面积显著增大, 细胞中叶绿体数量明显减少。遗传分析显示pd137的突变表型受隐性单基因控制。本研究通过遗传作图将该突变基因粗定位于拟南芥2号染色体的分子标记CH2-13.70和CH2-16.0区间内。该区间内已知的与叶绿体分裂相关的基因只有FtsZ2-1。对FtsZ2-1基因的测序结果显示pd137突变体的FtsZ2-1基因第505位碱基发生了无义突变, 使蛋白质翻译提前终止。该突变还严重影响了FtsZ2-1基因的mRNA水平。转基因互补实验进一步验证了该突变体表型是由于FtsZ2-1基因突变引起。本项工作为研究叶绿体分裂的机制提供了新材料和一些有用的线索。     

An integrated physiological and genetic approach to the dynamics of FtsZ targeting and organisation in a moss, Physcomitrella patens

Plant FtsZ (filamentous temperature-sensitive Z) proteins are regarded as descendants of prokaryotic cell division proteins. We could show previously that four FtsZ isoforms of the moss Physcomitrella patens assemble into, and interact in, distinct structures inside the chloroplasts and in the cytosol. Their organisation and localisation patterns indicate an involvement in chloroplast and cell division and in the maintenance of chloroplast shape and integrity. The cellular processes of chloroplast division and maintenance of chloroplast shape were disturbed either by application of the beta-lactam antibiotic ampicillin or by a mutation that presumably affects signal transduction of the plant hormone cytokinin. When cells of these plants were analysed microscopically, there was no indication that cytosolic functions of FtsZ proteins were affected. Furthermore, FtsZ proteins continued to build three-dimensional plastoskeleton networks, even in considerably enlarged or malformed chloroplasts. On the other hand, macrochloroplast formation promoted the localisation of FtsZ proteins in filaments that emanate from the plastids and, therefore, most likely represent stromules. Annular FtsZ structures that are regarded as essential components of the division apparatus were absent from macrochloroplasts of ampicillin-treated cells. Thus, the distribution of FtsZ proteins after inhibition of chloroplast division further strengthens our hypothesis on the functions of distinct isoforms. In addition, the results provide further insight into the regulation of protein targeting and dynamics of plastoskeletal elements.     

Dual targeting of plastid division protein FtsZ to chloroplasts and the cytoplasm

FtsZ is a filament-forming protein that assembles into a ring at the division site of prokaryotic cells. As FtsZ and tubulin share several biochemical and structural similarities, FtsZ is regarded as the ancestor of tubulin. Chloroplasts--the descendants of endosymbiotic bacteria within plant cells--also harbour FtsZ. In contrast to eubacteria, plants have several different FtsZ isoforms. So far, these isoforms have only been implicated with filamentous structures, rings and networks, inside chloroplasts. Here, we demonstrate that a novel FtsZ isoform in the moss Physcomitrella patens is located not only in chloroplasts but also in the cytoplasm, assembling into rings in both cell compartments. These findings comprise the first report on cytosolic localization of a eukaryotic FtsZ isoform, and indicate that this protein might connect cell and organelle division at least in moss.