抗阻运动对高脂饮食诱导的肥胖大鼠脂肪组织自噬和炎症因子的影响

为探讨运动对肥胖患者自噬活性和内脏脂肪组织炎症反应的影响,本研究将60只肥胖小鼠随机分为高脂饮食组(B)、正常饮食组(C)、正常饮食加耐力运动干预组(D)、正常饮食加耐力运动干预组(E)。D组和E组分别进行10周的耐力和抗阻运动,然后用RT-PCR检测自噬、炎症的基因和蛋白表达。结果显示,三个干预组的Lee指数和BFI均显著降低,2个运动组的Lee指数和BFI均显著降低,但差异无显著性;D组和E组Beclin 1表达较C组显著降低,p62表达明显升高;与C组相比,D组p62显著升高,E组无明显升高;与D组相比,E组Beclin 1基因表达增加,p62蛋白表达降低;与C组相比,D组和E组IL-6和IL-0蛋白表达均显著升高;10周不同运动干预对大鼠减脂效果无差异。运动后内脏脂肪组织的自噬活性受到抑制,尤其是无氧运动;肥胖患者运动干预前后内脏脂肪组织自噬和炎症的变化趋势一致,其中IL-10的变化最为明显。     

Changes in Gut Microbiota in Rats Fed a High Fat Diet Correlate with Obesity-Associated Metabolic Parameters

The gut microbiota is emerging as a new factor in the development of obesity. Many studies have described changes in microbiota composition in response to obesity and high fat diet (HFD) at the phylum level. In this study we used 16s RNA high throughput sequencing on faecal samples from rats chronically fed HFD or control chow (n = 10 per group, 16 weeks) to investigate changes in gut microbiota composition at the species level. 53.17% dissimilarity between groups was observed at the species level. Lactobacillus intestinalis dominated the microbiota in rats under the chow diet. However this species was considerably less abundant in rats fed HFD (P<0.0001), this being compensated by an increase in abundance of propionate/acetate producing species. To further understand the influence of these species on the development of the obese phenotype, we correlated their abundance with metabolic parameters associated with obesity. Of the taxa contributing the most to dissimilarity between groups, 10 presented significant correlations with at least one of the tested parameters, three of them correlated positively with all metabolic parameters: Phascolarctobacterium, Proteus mirabilis and Veillonellaceae, all propionate/acetate producers. Lactobacillus intestinalis was the only species whose abundance was negatively correlated with change in body weight and fat mass. This species decreased drastically in response to HFD, favouring propionate/acetate producing bacterial species whose abundance was strongly correlated with adiposity and deterioration of metabolic factors. Our observations suggest that these species may play a key role in the development of obesity in response to a HFD.     

杜仲绿原酸对高脂小鼠血液流变学作用研究

旨以研究杜仲绿原酸对高脂高胆固醇诱导的高血脂模型小鼠血液流变学的影响,以昆明小鼠为实验动物,随机分成5组:阴性对照组,模型对照组和低剂量(25 mg/kg BW)、中剂量(50 mg/kg BW)、高剂量(100 mg/kg BW)杜仲绿原酸组,每组10只.后4组饲以高脂饲粮,同时小鼠灌胃杜仲绿原酸4周,实验结束,分别测定各组小鼠血液流变学参数、血清和肝脏的抗氧化酶活性和脂质过氧化产物MDA含量及其总抗氧化能力和羟自由基清除率.高脂血症小鼠的全血粘度、血浆粘度、红细胞压积、血沉、纤维蛋白原、红细胞刚性指数和聚集指数显著降低(P＜0.05),红细胞变形指数显著提高(P＜0.05),小鼠血清和肝脏SOD、GSH-Px水平、总抗氧化能力和羟自由基清除能力均显著升高(P＜0.05),MDA水平显著降低(P＜0.05).在高脂膳食条件下,杜仲绿原酸能有效提高血液的抗氧化防御功能(包括抗氧化力、抗氧化酶活性)、改变血液流变学参数等,降低血液粘度、红细胞刚性和聚集,增强变形能力,使细胞膜的流动性增高,其中以中剂量效果相对较好.     

木犀草素预防高脂膳食诱导的小鼠胰岛素抵抗的实验研究

目的:探讨黄酮类成分木犀草素对高脂饮食诱导的肥胖小鼠模型的胰岛素抵抗的影响。方法:30只C57BL/6J小鼠分正常饮食对照组(10只),高脂膳食组(对照组,10只)和高脂膳食加2%木犀草素组(木犀草素组,10只),干预16周,观察体重、血脂水平、血糖、胰岛素敏感性及胰岛素水平的变化。结果:小鼠在给予高脂膳食16周后,体重水平、血脂水平、血糖水平、胰岛素水平显著高于木犀草素组,胰岛素敏感性显著下降,与木犀草素组比较,P<0.05或P<0.01。而木犀草素组则可显著抑制体重、血脂、血糖及胰岛素水平的升高,与胰岛素敏感性未见明显下降,与正常对照组比较,P>0.05。结论:木犀草素可预防高脂膳食诱导的胰岛素抵抗。     

黄芪水提取物减轻高脂饮食引起的小鼠肥胖

目的:研究黄芪水提取物(Astragalus radix extract,ARE)对高脂饮食(High fat diet,HFD)引起的小鼠肥胖的作用及可能机制。方法:将30只C57 BL/6小鼠随机分为正常喂养组(ND组,n=10)、高脂喂养组(HFD组,n=10)和高脂喂养+黄芪水提取物处理组(ARE组,n=10)。记录三组小鼠体重及食物摄入。在喂养16周时,对小鼠附睾白色脂肪称重,并进行HE染色观察脂肪细胞大小;对小鼠肝脏进行进行HE染色观察肝脏脂肪变性情况。应用ELISA方法检测血清瘦素及脂联素水平。应用Western Blot检测脂肪组织过氧化物酶体增殖物激活受体γ(Peroxisome proliferator activated receptorγ,PPARγ)表达。结果:1与ND组相比,HFD组体重及热量摄入均显著增加,表明肥胖模型建立成功;ARE处理组的体重较HFD组显著下降,但其热量摄入与HFD组相当。2与ND组相比,HFD组白色脂肪组织重量增加、脂肪细胞增大、肝细胞出现显著脂肪变性;ARE处理组上述指标较HFD组明显改善。3与ND组相比,HFD组瘦素水平升高、脂联素水平下降;ARE处理组与HFD组相比,瘦素水平降低、脂联素水平升高。4与ND组相比,HFD组PPARγ表达显著增加,而ARE处理组较HFD组PPARγ表达下降。结论:黄芪水提取物可能通过抑制PPARγ减轻高质饮食引起的肥胖。     

Effect of Licorice Flavonoid Oil on Cholesterol Metabolism in High Fat Diet Rats

Dietary licorice fravonoid oil (LFO) significantly decreased hepatic cholesterol and plasma lipoprotein cholesterol levels in high-fat diet rats. It significantly suppressed hydroxymethylglutaryl-CoA synthase activity and increased cholesterol 7α-hydroxylase activity. The low density lipoprotein receptor mRNA level was significantly increased by LFO. These results suggest that dietary LFO improves cholesterol metabolism in obese animals.     

The Effect of Continued Training with Crocin on Apoptosis Markers in Liver Tissue of High Fat Diet Induced Diabetic Rats

Diabetes mellitus (DM) disease can affect process of apoptosis byincreasing oxidative stress, nevertheless exercise and crocin can improve apoptosis; therefore present study aimed to investigate the effect of continued trainingwith crocin on apoptosis markers in liver tissue of diabetic rats. In this experimental study 32 diabetic rats based on fasting glucose divided into four groups ofeight rats including: 1) sham, 2) training, 3) crocin, and 4) training with crocinalso for investigate the effect of DM induction on apoptosis markers, eight healthyrats assigned in healthy control group. During eight weeks groups 2 and 4 ran60 minutes on treadmill with intensity of 50–55% maximum speed for three sessions per week and groups 3 and 4 received 25 mg/kg/day crocin peritoneally.Shapiro–Wilk, one-way ANOVA with Tukey’s post-hot tests were used for statistical analysis of data (P ≤ 0.05). DM induction significantly increased Bcl-2 aswell as decreased Bax and P52 (P ≤ 0.05) nevertheless training and training withcrocin significantly decreased Bcl-2 and increased Bax and P53 (P ≤ 0.05); crocinsignificantly decreased Bcl-2 and increased P53 (P ≤ 0.05) and training with crocin had higher effect on increase of Bax and P53 compare to training (P ≤ 0.05)also increase of Bax compare to crocin. Although training and crocin alone canimprove apoptotic markers in diabetic rats, nevertheless training simultaneouslywith crocin have better effects than training alone.     

Myocardial Structural and Biological Anomalies Induced by High Fat Diet in Psammomys obesus Gerbils

Background

Psammomys obesus gerbils are particularly prone to develop diabetes and obesity after brief period of abundant food intake. A hypercaloric high fat diet has been shown to affect cardiac function. Here, we sought to determine whether a short period of high fat feeding might alter myocardial structure and expression of calcium handling proteins in this particular strain of gerbils.

Methods

Twenty Psammomys obesus gerbils were randomly assigned to receive a normal plant diet (controls) or a high fat diet. At baseline and 16-week later, body weight, plasma biochemical parameters (including lipid and carbohydrate levels) were evaluated. Myocardial samples were collected for pathobiological evaluation.

Results

Sixteen-week high fat dieting resulted in body weight gain and hyperlipidemia, while levels of carbohydrates remained unchanged. At myocardial level, high fat diet induced structural disorganization, including cardiomyocyte hypertrophy, lipid accumulation, interstitial and perivascular fibrosis and increased number of infiltrating neutrophils. Myocardial expressions of pro-apoptotic Bax-to-Bcl-2 ratio, pro-inflammatory cytokines [interleukin (IL)-1β and tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-α], intercellular (ICAM1) and vascular adhesion molecules (VCAM1) increased, while gene encoding cardiac muscle protein, the alpha myosin heavy polypeptide (MYH6), was downregulated. Myocardial expressions of sarco(endo)plasmic calcium-ATPase (SERCA2) and voltage-dependent calcium channel (Cacna1c) decreased, while protein kinase A (PKA) and calcium-calmodulin-dependent protein kinase (CaMK2D) expressions increased. Myocardial expressions of ryanodine receptor, phospholamban and sodium/calcium exchanger (Slc8a1) did not change.

Conclusions

We conclude that a relative short period of high fat diet in Psammomys obesus results in severe alterations of cardiac structure, activation of inflammatory and apoptotic processes, and altered expression of calcium-cycling determinants.     

高脂饮食诱导情绪障碍及药物干预研究进展

近年来代谢性疾病和抑郁症的发病率逐渐上升,临床研究表明代谢紊乱疾病与抑郁症之间存在共病现象。富含高糖高脂的西方饮食通常可造成肥胖、糖尿病、代谢综合征等代谢紊乱性疾病,近期研究发现高脂饮食是情绪障碍发病的危险因素,然而具体高脂饮食对情绪紊乱的影响机制尚未明确,其可能机制包括胰岛素抵抗、瘦素抵抗、炎症、氧化应激、神经凋亡、大脑奖赏回路系统等。本文对近年来报道的高脂饮食诱发情绪障碍可能机制及药物研究进行阐述。     

Nox2 Mediates Skeletal Muscle Insulin Resistance Induced by a High Fat Diet

Inflammation and oxidative stress through the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) are consistently associated with metabolic syndrome/type 2 diabetes. Although the role of Nox2, a major ROS-generating enzyme, is well described in host defense and inflammation, little is known about its potential role in insulin resistance in skeletal muscle. Insulin resistance induced by a high fat diet was mitigated in Nox2-null mice compared with wild-type mice after 3 or 9 months on the diet. High fat feeding increased Nox2 expression, superoxide production, and impaired insulin signaling in skeletal muscle tissue of wild-type mice but not in Nox2-null mice. Exposure of C2C12 cultured myotubes to either high glucose concentration, palmitate, or H₂O₂ decreases insulin-induced Akt phosphorylation and glucose uptake. Pretreatment with catalase abrogated these effects, indicating a key role for H₂O₂ in mediating insulin resistance. Down-regulation of Nox2 in C2C12 cells by shRNA prevented insulin resistance induced by high glucose or palmitate but not H₂O₂. These data indicate that increased production of ROS in insulin resistance induced by high glucose in skeletal muscle cells is a consequence of Nox2 activation. This is the first report to show that Nox2 is a key mediator of insulin resistance in skeletal muscle.     

姜黄素对抗高脂饮食诱导SD 大鼠血脂水平升高及改善血管内皮依赖 性舒张功能的研究

目的:观察高脂饮食对SD大鼠血脂水平及胸主动脉环舒张功能的影响及姜黄素对以上改变的影响。方法:健康SD大鼠30只,分高脂饮食组(10只)、正常饮食对照组、高脂饮食+姜黄素组(10只),大鼠行适应性饲养1周后分别给予高脂饮食及正常饮食;于实验开始时、10周及实验结束前测各组大鼠体重,20周后取血测定血清血脂浓度,取胸主动脉测定血管环舒张功能。结果:①高脂饮食喂养的大鼠体重明显高于其他各组大鼠,姜黄素可明显对抗高脂饮食导致的体重升高。②与对照组比较,高脂饮食组TC、TG、LDL-C明显升高(P<0.01和P<0.05);③与正常对照组及姜黄素对照组比较,高脂饮食组胸主动脉环的内皮依赖性舒张功能显著减弱(P<0.05)。结论:①SD大鼠给予高脂饮食后使大鼠血脂水平明显升高,胸主动脉环内皮依赖性舒张功能显著减弱。②姜黄素具有防治高脂饮食导致的血脂升高及改善高脂饮食导致的血管内皮依赖性的舒张功能减退。     

高糖高脂致家兔糖尿病的实验模型探讨

目的　建立饮食诱导新西兰兔糖尿病模型 ,探讨脂肪毒性和葡萄糖毒性在 2型糖尿病发病中的意义。方法　将雄性新西兰兔 30只按血糖血脂浓度随机分为 2组 ,15只饲以基础饲料作为正常对照组 (C组 ) ;15只饲以高糖高脂饲料作为实验组 (DD组 ) ,共观察 32周 ,每 4周从禁食过夜的兔耳静脉抽取血样 ,测定血清中血糖、胰岛素、甘油三酯。于 32周时 ,全部处死动物 ,取动物胰腺。取部分胰腺用 10 %中性甲醛液固定 ,常规石蜡包埋切片 ,H、E染色 ,光学显微镜下观察 ;另一部分胰腺用 2 5 %戊二醛固定 ,常规电镜样品制备 ,透射电镜下观察并照相。结果　实验组 4周后即出现高血糖、高甘油三酯 ,并随着喂养时间延长 ,而有所升高 ,基础饲料组血糖、甘油三酯未见明显升高 ,两组比较差异具有显著性意义 (P <0 0 1)。以不同喂养时间作方差分析 ,整体上差异具有显著性意义。实验组血清胰岛素水平整体上差异没有显著性意义 (P >0 0 5 )。实验组胰腺组织表现为胰岛萎缩 ,胰岛边缘皱缩 ,胰岛数目减少 ,胰岛内细胞数量亦减少 ,多数细胞呈梭形 ,细胞核呈杆状 ,胰岛周围少量淋巴细胞浸润。透射电镜下观察到实验组胰岛 β细胞体积略小 ,核较小 ,部分分泌颗粒呈空泡状 ,细胞内可见局部结构较模糊 ,粗面内质网少 ,未见明显淀粉样变     

Effects of Cricket Extract on Lipid Metabolism and Body Fat Content in High- Fat Diet Fed Rats

The effect of cricket extract on high‐fat diet fed rat was observed. It was shown that cricket extract prevented the increment of body weight by high‐fat diet. The extract also decreased the value of AST in liver. The most significant effect of the extract was shown on lipid metabolism. The contents of total lipid and total cholesterol in liver and feces were reduced by the extract on dose‐dependent. These statistically significant results were clear in 3% extract treated group (HFD3) while were slight in 1% extract treated group (HFD1). The same result was also shown in body fat content.     

骨钙素对高糖低脂饮食引起的糖尿病新西兰兔胰腺的影响

目的:基于一贯性高血糖症能导致胰岛素抵抗的假说,我们研究了高糖低脂饮食导致的非胰岛素依赖糖尿病大鼠的生理功能和组织学改变.方法:取正常新西兰兔24只,随机分为正常组、糖尿病(DM)组、糖尿病骨钙素干预(DM+OCGY)组.采用高唐低脂饮食喂养新西兰兔,建立非胰岛素依赖糖尿病模型.建立模型后,DM+OCGY组腹腔注射骨钙素(2.5 mg/kg·d),DM组腹腔注射相等量生理盐水.一个月后处死新西兰兔.用HE染色方法检测新西兰兔胰腺形态改变.结果:高糖低脂饮食能有效引起新西兰兔血糖的升高,尿糖阳性,HE染色表明胰腺细胞发生相应改变,DM+OCGY组空腹血糖的浓度明显降低,能逆转胰腺的相关改变.结论:高糖低脂饮食能诱导非胰岛素依赖糖尿病的发生,骨钙素对非胰岛素依赖型糖尿病血糖浓度有一定的调节作用.     

High Fat Diet Induces Liver Steatosis and Early Dysregulation of Iron Metabolism in Rats

This paper is dedicated to the memory of our wonderful colleague Professor Alfredo Colonna, who passed away the same day of its acceptance. Fatty liver accumulation, inflammatory process and insulin resistance appear to be crucial in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), nevertheless emerging findings pointed an important role also for iron overload. Here, we investigate the molecular mechanisms of hepatic iron metabolism in the onset of steatosis to understand whether its impairment could be an early event of liver inflammatory injury. Rats were fed with control diet or high fat diet (HFD) for 5 or 8 weeks, after which liver morphology, serum lipid profile, transaminases levels and hepatic iron content (HIC), were evaluated. In liver of HFD fed animals an increased time-dependent activity of iron regulatory protein 1 (IRP1) was evidenced, associated with the increase in transferrin receptor-1 (TfR1) expression and ferritin down-regulation. Moreover, ferroportin (FPN-1), the main protein involved in iron export, was down-regulated accordingly with hepcidin increase. These findings were indicative of an increased iron content into hepatocytes, which leads to an increase of harmful free-iron also related to the reduction of hepatic ferritin content. The progressive inflammatory damage was evidenced by the increase of hepatic TNF-α, IL-6 and leptin, in parallel to increased iron content and oxidative stress. The major finding that emerged of this study is the impairment of iron homeostasis in the ongoing and sustaining of liver steatosis, suggesting a strong link between iron metabolism unbalance, inflammatory damage and progression of disease.     

Molecular Fingerprint of High Fat Diet Induced Urinary Bladder Metabolic Dysfunction in a Rat Model

Aims/hypothesis

Diabetic voiding dysfunction has been reported in epidemiological dimension of individuals with diabetes mellitus. Animal models might provide new insights into the molecular mechanisms of this dysfunction to facilitate early diagnosis and to identify new drug targets for therapeutic interventions.

Methods

Thirty male Sprague-Dawley rats received either chow or high-fat diet for eleven weeks. Proteomic alterations were comparatively monitored in both groups to discover a molecular fingerprinting of the urinary bladder remodelling/dysfunction. Results were validated by ELISA, Western blotting and immunohistology.

Results

In the proteome analysis 383 proteins were identified and canonical pathway analysis revealed a significant up-regulation of acute phase reaction, hypoxia, glycolysis, β-oxidation, and proteins related to mitochondrial dysfunction in high-fat diet rats. In contrast, calcium signalling, cytoskeletal proteins, calpain, 14-3-3η and eNOS signalling were down-regulated in this group. Interestingly, we found increased ubiquitin proteasome activity in the high-fat diet group that might explain the significant down-regulation of eNOS, 14-3-3η and calpain.

Conclusions/interpretation

Thus, high-fat diet is sufficient to induce significant remodelling of the urinary bladder and alterations of the molecular fingerprint. Our findings give new insights into obesity related bladder dysfunction and identified proteins that may indicate novel pathophysiological mechanisms and therefore constitute new drug targets.     

Cinnamon Counteracts the Negative Effects of a High Fat/High Fructose Diet on Behavior,Brain Insulin Signaling and Alzheimer-Associated Changes

Insulin resistance leads to memory impairment. Cinnamon (CN) improves peripheral insulin resistance but its effects in the brain are not known. Changes in behavior, insulin signaling and Alzheimer-associated mRNA expression in the brain were measured in male Wistar rats fed a high fat/high fructose (HF/HFr) diet to induce insulin resistance, with or without CN, for 12 weeks. There was a decrease in insulin sensitivity associated with the HF/HFr diet that was reversed by CN. The CN fed rats were more active in a Y maze test than rats fed the control and HF/HFr diets. The HF/HFr diet fed rats showed greater anxiety in an elevated plus maze test that was lessened by feeding CN. The HF/HFr diet also led to a down regulation of the mRNA coding for GLUT1 and GLUT3 that was reversed by CN in the hippocampus and cortex. There were increases in Insr, Irs1 and Irs2 mRNA in the hippocampus and cortex due to the HF/HFr diet that were not reversed by CN. Increased peripheral insulin sensitivity was also associated with increased glycogen synthase in both hippocampus and cortex in the control and HF/HFr diet animals fed CN. The HF/HFr diet induced increases in mRNA associated with Alzheimers including PTEN, Tau and amyloid precursor protein (App) were also alleviated by CN. In conclusion, these data suggest that the negative effects of a HF/HFr diet on behavior, brain insulin signaling and Alzheimer-associated changes were alleviated by CN suggesting that neuroprotective effects of CN are associated with improved whole body insulin sensitivity and related changes in the brain.     

Effects of Weight Cycling Induced by Diet Cycling in Rats Differing in Susceptibility to Dietary Obesity

LAUER, JOAN B., GEORGE W. REED, AND JAMES O. HILL. Effects of weight cycling induced by diet cycling in rats differing in susceptibility to dietary obesity. Obes Res. Objective Although the majority of evidence in rodents does not support the view that weight cycling (consisting of bouts of food restriction and refeeding) promotes obesity, the effects of weight cycling on body weight regulation remain controversial. We have previously demonstrated that some rats within a strain are more susceptible to develop obesity than others when given free access to a high-fat diet. In this study, we tested the hypothesis that rats most susceptible to weight gain on a high-fat diet would also be most susceptible to weight gain as a consequence of weight cycling. Research Methods and Procedures Rats were provided a low-fat diet (12% corn oil) for 2 weeks, then given a high-fat diet (45% corn oil) for 2 weeks to identify those most (obesity prone) and least (obesity resistant) susceptible to weight gain. Half of each group was then subjected to three 30-day cycles of food restriction (10 days) and refeeding (20 days) [weight cycler (WC) rats]. The other half were allowed free access to the high-fat diet [control (CO) rats]. All rats were then followed for an additional 10 weeks, with free access to the high-fat diet. Results When considering the entire 160 days of the study, we found no evidence that WC rats relative to CO rats had increased body weight, increased body fat content, or elevated energy efficiency. We found no evidence that rats most prone to dietary obesity were also prone to weight gain after weight cycling. During the weight cycling phase (days 1 to 90), weight cycled groups consumed less energy and gained less weight than controls. During the follow-up phase, WC and CO rats did not differ significantly in weight gain or energy intake. Discussion In this study, weight cycling did not exacerbate the obesity produced by high-fat diet feeding.     

Activation of Kupffer Cells Is Associated with a Specific Dysbiosis Induced by Fructose or High Fat Diet in Mice

The increase consumption of fructose in diet is associated with liver inflammation. As a specific fructan substrate, fructose may modify the gut microbiota which is involved in obesity-induced liver disease. Here, we aimed to assess whether fructose-induced liver damage was associated with a specific dysbiosis, especially in mice fed a high fat diet (HFD). To this end, four groups of mice were fed with normal and HFD added or not with fructose. Body weight and glucose sensitivity, liver inflammation, dysbiosis and the phenotype of Kupffer cells were determined after 16 weeks of diet. Food intake was increased in the two groups of mice fed with the HFD. Mice fed with HFD and fructose showed a higher infiltration of lymphocytes into the liver and a lower inflammatory profile of Kupffer cells than mice fed with the HFD without fructose. The dysbiosis associated with diets showed that fructose specifically prevented the decrease of Mouse intestinal bacteria in HFD fed mice and increased Erysipelotrichi in mice fed with fructose, independently of the amount of fat. In conclusion, fructose, used as a sweetener, induced a dysbiosis which is different in presence of fat in the diet. Consequently, the activation of Kupffer cells involved in mice model of HFD-induced liver inflammation was not observed in an HFD/fructose combined diet. These data highlight that the complexity of diet composition could highly impact the development of liver lesions during obesity. Specific dysbiosis associated with the diet could explain that the progressions of liver damage are different.